Trump Criminality

[Hymie]

On CNN they are taking about Joe Biden’s administration giving Trump and his cronies immunity from prosecution for their criminality over the last 4 years - let's hope not.

[andy-hughes]

It appears to be a tradition among Presidents - even Nixon was pardoned for his appalling behavior, so chances are Trump will walk away with a clean slate.

[pixie374]

Nobody should have immunity, whatever job they have.

[jno]

it's not traditional at all. Nixon was a one-off (it was highly controversial at the time) and should remain that way.

People are asking whether Trump, who is still president pro tem, could pardon himself, or stand down temporarily while the vice president does it for him.

[douglas9401]

You mean behave like a gutless manipulator in the face of serious problems ahead and encourage others to cllude with him, jno?

He's made a career of it.

[jno]

something along those lines, douglas, yes.

[jim360]

Trump can't pardon himself until/unless he's convicted. Same with any other pardon. Somebody has to have committed a crime, and been convicted of it, in order to be eligible for a pardon.

Perhaps if we imagine a scenario where Trump is done for, let's say, arson*, but wins a return to office in 2024, we could revisit the question then.

[johnny.5]

may he who is without sin cast the first stone .

Am I Right ?
I'm Not Wrong !

[douglas9401]

Rare as it is Johnny, this time you're wrong.

[jno]

jim, Nixon hadn't been convicted of anything

[johnny.5]

No I can't be wrong this week

it's the people they're wrong!
or
it's the counters they're wrong!
or
it's the postal service they're wrong!
or
it's the clocks they're wrong!

[brainiac]

Trump has a tsunami of lawsuits on tax and sexual misconduct about to engulf him the moment he leaves office. He's finished.

[jno]

johnny, is it okay if I just cast old fruit and veg? I don't think there's anything in the Bible against it.

[Sunk]

The Federal Government might have more important things to do instead of prosecute Trump. They won’t do it, so they won’t need to pardon him.
But his losing immunity holds him liable to prosecutions from non governmental organisations, individuals and companies. If he loses one of those cases, then the Federal Government will not want to interfere and undermine the law.
But in any case, Trump will soon be deemed too ill to face a court, and will evade justice.

[jno]

he does seem to have spent the last few days laying the groundwork for an insanity plea.

[johnny.5]

just not oranges jno

[ynnafymmi]

It would be quite funny seeing Trump in prison.A bit like that geezer on the Monopoly board.He could say that he was "just visiting"!

[Sunk]

... last few days ?

jno,
You’ve not be paying enough attention for the last 4 years. His mental health has be questioned many times, but his personal doctor has given him the all clear. Same personal doctor will quite happily say he is mentally impaired as long as he still gets paid.

[jno]

that's why I think he has to ramp it up, Sunk, everyone's spent so long denying it that the world needs to see his unfortunate condition worsening.

[Spicerack]

You keep on about this criminality, Hymie.
Could you cite one or two specific crimes.
Bear in mind, not being liked by you does not, I repeat, not constitute a criminal offence.

[johnny.5]

where to put this ?