Racism

[LATECOMER]

Three black guys kill a white man and boast that they have "killed the white man" they are given a lenient sentence because the judge says theirs was not a rascist killing!!!! Two white guys kill a black man and are given a severe sentence because judge says they are racists! Just what do coloured people have to do to be guilty of racism?.("WE KILLED THE WHITE MAN") For what its worth i'd hang them all. (white and black) All i am saying is that everyone should be treated equal but as thing are some people are more equal than others.It make my blood boil!!!

[WaldoMcFroog]

In the first case, the murderers had attacked several people, including a black man and some Asians plus smashed up cars. They had been drinking all day and were on a rampage and were randomly attacking anyone who got in there way. Yes, they used racist language, but they did not single out their victim because of his colour. They got him because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In the second, the victim was explicitly chosen because of his colour.

Does that help you make the distinction?

[coyn]

It makes my blood boil too, they all should have got life without the possibility of parole.

[LATECOMER]

Hello WaldoMcFroog. My point is they boasted about killing the white man! They didn't boast about beating up the black men, they boasted about killing the white man. Are you saying that white man is not guilty of racism if he kills a black man and then assaults a few white people. They are all racists and should have been treated the same.

[littleoldme]

The cold-blooded and unprovoked murder of an innocent person by a couple of brainless thugs should result in life imprisonment, irrespective of the skin colour of perpetrator or victim, and irrespective of whether it was racially motivated or not.

[LATECOMER]

Hello littleoldme, I agree with what you say, but the point is that being found guilty of a racist murder carries a much longer term of imprisonment, so why should some anybody be able to boast about killing people of another colour and get away with not being called racist? It just is not on.And worse still, all hardworking tax payers in this country now have to pay to keep them all locked up. I wish this country would bring back hanging. There is no respect for law anymore.

[brionon]

So let's see if I've got this right. Murder is worse if your hatred of the victim is Racist ? Sounds Barmy enough to be a law to me.

[magicbeatle]

Murder is Murder, irrespective of colour. It Dosent matter in the end if you killed a man (or woman, child etc) for reasons of race or any other reason. They are still dead, and the murdering scum should be either hung, or go to prison with no chance of ever getting out!

[Buttercup]

'coloured'!? that makes my blood boil.

[sp1814]

Are any of you black?

Have any of you actually seen racism up close?

Why does your blood only ever seem to boil when it's a white person attacked?

I'm going to put this simply - we don't live in a society where everyone is treated equally...this is why hate crimes are viewed as socially devisive.

I'm over the moon that Anthony Walker's killers got life. I hope they each have to share a cell with a psycho 23 stone African.

The thing that makes my blood boil is when people start complaining that white people are so hard done by.

Frankly - you're not. I've seen it up close and personal people - as a black man living in a white society - you are not hard done by, by any measure.

[sp1814]

Latecomer

Another thing - the three youths who killed the white guy were all Asian. Why did you refer to them as 'black'.

Have you any idea how that comes across? Let's suppose you're a white man, and I wrote about you, decribing you as Chinese...are you catching my drift?

[Supernick]

I completely agree with Waldo, and the judge's handling of the case recently where the 3 Asian youths killed a white man. They had been assaulting a variety of people from various ethnic backgrounds but happened to kill a white man. That they boasted afterwards about killing a white man does not mean that they attacked him because he was white. In the tragic case of Anthony Walker it was much more clearly a racist attack, and as such they were subject to a harsher punishment. I don't think that having a longer prison punishment for racist murder is wrong either, and doesn't reflect on the victim in any way. We're not saying that one person's life is worth more prison time than another, we're saying that the crime is even more despicable.

[ARSENAL]

Do you think you are hard done by as a black man living in a white society sp1814?

[Octavius]

If I got into my car drove down the road, deliberately mounted the curb and purposely aimed to run over and kill a white person on the pavement, is that a racist attack?

[LATECOMER]

All i am saying is that everybody be treated equally. Really what is wrong with that???? If three white English men had got drunk, beaten some white Scots and then found a none white not English looking person killed him and then boasted about killing a person who did not look English enough then they would and should be called racist!!!. And i only said coloured so as not to single out any particular group of people. Also sp1814 i did say i would hang them all ( white and black ) Why is commiting a racist killing ok if you kill somebody and then set about thumping a few people of a similar race to yourself. Surely that's worse!!!!

[Supernick]

We're looking at a difference between motive and reaction. If you were to deliberately kill someone as revenge for something, and then exclaim "and the black b***ard deserved it" it does not mean that it was an attack that was based on racism, only that you harbour racist attitudes. Your attack was based on revenge. This is why the judge made his decision, correctly in my opinion.

[LATECOMER]

Hello Supernick. I wanted to see if anybody would try to defend these vile people. My view is that murder is murder and the word racist should be taken out of the picture. Murderers should go to prison for life and never be let out again. Amen to that!!!

[LATECOMER]

HI sp1814. I would not mind one jot being called Chinese Asian white black blue or even Irish. A terrible thing rasicm and an easy trap to fall into. What's wrong with being Chinese???? You have been the victim of rasicm and so have i !!! Its not a one way street.

[sp1814]

Arsenal

Nope. I've had a pretty good life. I did well at school, got a good job, met a great partner...nothing much to complain about.

The point I was trying to make is that if you are white you have less understanding of the effects of racism, because there's less chance of you being directly affected it.

In the same way, as a man, I don't really know what it feels like to have been subjected to sexism.

Latecomer - if you were white (and I don't presume to know whether you are), and I saw a picture of you, and I said you were Chinese, what would that say about me?

By describing three Asian lads as black is just wrong, surely you can see that???

[LATECOMER]

Hello again sp1814. The point i was trying to make is that we should all be treated equally by the courts. And some people being treated more leniently by the courts is what make my blood boil. Not really about race its about what is just for us all!!! I was trying to be inoffensive by talking in general terms ( coloured ) i did not mean to offend anybody. Have a good Weekend!

[Supernick]

on't know if your still reading latecomer, but I've just seen your post. I want to make it clear that in no way am i defending these mindless thugs, and they fully deserve to be in prison for the rest of their lives, but we need to make sure that they'rer actually tried and sentenced according to what they did, and from listening to the case in the news I would agree with the judge and say that it wasn't a racially motivated murder.