In Tier 2 Pubs Can Only Open If Serving Meals

[dave50]

There will be a lot of very long lunches with people eating very slow.

[237SJ]

I can't see that the experience will be any different to going to a restaurant. You sit down, order your drinks, get your food, eat it pay up and leave. The Gov probably just want people to eat because they are terrified of people getting *** and social distancing going out of the window.

[fiveleaves]

Why not see pubs as place to have a good meal along with a beer or 2, instead of a place to get blotto?
Reminds me of a work colleague who on a Christmas do, had a couple of mouthfuls and then said "eating is cheating". He saw the Christmas do as an opportunity to down 15 pints, I went for the meal

[dave50]

I hope people push the rules to the limit. We need to support our pubs.

[bobbinwales]

//I hope people push the rules to the limit. We need to support our pubs.//
Not sure what that means. Drink as much as possable for as long as possable while eating as little as possable?
I think pubs just want peopel to follow the rules and guidance and there requests regarding staying at tables. following arrows, arriving in time and leaving not too late. The last think pubs want is to be seen to have customers not being sensible and so pubs get fined or the restrictions get tightend

[New Judge]

//I think pubs just want peopel to follow the rules and guidance and there requests regarding staying at tables.//

I get your point but actually I think pubs would far rather prefer not to have to get involved with all this malarky. They'd sooner just go back to accommodating as many customers as possible, serving them what they want when they want it and where they want to consume it.

[Jackdaw33]

I am still at a loss to understand how having a meal reduces the risk of Covid.

[bobbinwales]

I think pubs would far rather prefer not to have to get involved with all this malarky.
Well we all would. W'ed all prefer there to be no virus off course,, that should go without saying.
But there is and we all have a part to play. Pubs have generally been pretty good, those that realise that its in there intersts to do there bit so we can get the problem under control and return to normallity or close to it asap

[bobbinwales]

//I am still at a loss to understand how having a meal reduces the risk of Covid.//
Because genrally peopel behave diffrent at a sit down meal for a set period of time than they do when wandring round a pub, pushing and showing at a crowded bar at a bar, drinking 4 or 5 pints, singing and shouting

[Jackdaw33]

That doesn't wash. Having people seated and served at tables, only leaving the table to use the toilets, would be just as effective. No need for a meal.

[bobbinwales]

Washes with me. A went for meals and felt very safe with tables generally of 2,3 or 4 in summer. One night we went to a pub for drinks only and before long it was a free for all with people standing in groups and raucous laughter, people staying for 10 minutes coming in and out, some had been there for hours clearly and were drunk

[New Judge]

//Pubs have generally been pretty good,...//

Indeed they have. Very good. They've done all that is required of them (and more) at every turn. And they've been comprehensively shafted at every turn. Every change of legislation has involved severe restrictions on pubs, treating them as plague pits. I feel far safer in my local pub than I do in Tesco's (not that I feel particularly unsafe anywhere - it's all comparative).

[bobbinwales]

Well your wasting your breath. Thats the way it is . Rightly in my opinion. The peopel you elected from whatever party all agree, and the scientific and behavoural scientist advisers agree. But in England if your tier 2 and 1 the pubs will open again in December. Northen Ireland are shutting them again a heard

[Jackdaw33]

One thing is certain; once people realise how much cheaper it is to drink at home there will be far fewer going to pubs in the future, to the lasting detriment of such establishments.

[andres]

The pubs are not going to make enough to cover their overheads if people eat very slowly. The customer turnover will be low. It will be a case of ''sit down, eat up and get out''.

[New Judge]

//Thats the way it is .//

As I've said before, we'll see whether "the way it is" is the right way or not in about a year's time when the bills begin to land on the doormat. This is a (very) long game and what seems right now may well prove to be an absolute disaster. The unwarranted destruction of the hospitality business in this country will contribute quite a tidy sum to those bills.

[New Judge]

//It will be a case of ''sit down, eat up and get out''.//

And how many customers do you believe will put up with that attitude? Unlike those who "grab" a burger or pizza, people who eat in pubs and restaurants do not do so simply to pile some fodder down their throats. They go for the occasion and atmosphere. The pubs I frequented prior to England's current lockdown required pre-booking, had distancing arranged, required their customers to remain seated and had table service only. Those conditions were readily accepted, even by me (in fact, apart from the distancing, I hope they remain in place). Nowhere was it a case of "sit down, eat up and get out". If it was few of their customers would have returned. But they did. You have a funny idea about pubs.

[andres]

^^^And just how long do you think pubs will stay open with only limited turnovers?

[Zacs-Master]

‘ Nowhere was it a case of "sit down, eat up and get out". ’

And it still isn’t. It’s a case of ‘sit, down, enjoy your meal and please respect the fact that turnover is king so we’d really like it if you left after your meal’

[New Judge]

//And just how long do you think pubs will stay open with only limited turnovers?//

Pubs and restaurants are already putting up with severely limited turnovers. They've been forcibly closed for five months out of the last nine in England. T

[New Judge]

^^They have (and will be ) restricted by the curfew; they will lose a huge chunk of their December trade (when many establishments make up to 30% of their annual profit); they cannot cope with parties from more than one household (unless they're in Cornwall or the IOW); their capacities are limited. The last thing they need to do is to pee off the few customer they have left and whom they can accommodate.