Phil Spector

[Rosie29]

The music producer Phil Spector has died aged 81. Sorry no link and no more details as yet.
RIP

[ynnafymmi]

@20.27.If we are only to get stuff straight from the horses mouth,Andrew,there is little point in this website.From all the books and files i have seen my comments have been truthful.

[bednobs]

dont feed the idiots

[andy-hughes]

Bobbisox - // Andy , you're being so Pompous now //

I am trying to offer advice in a detached manner to try and keep the thread on track.

Would you prefer - and this is directed to the derailers, not you you personally -

"Stop picking fights, bringing up stupid pointless nonsensical grudges and act your age not your shoe size. This is a sensible discussion about a deceased celebrity, not a chance for you all to pile in about how much you hate the Moderators anod how biased they are, and your usual pointless off-thread sniping stupid pointless garbage?"

No problem - I'll bear that in mind for next time.

[andy-hughes]

ynna - // @20.27.If we are only to get stuff straight from the horses mouth,Andrew,there is little point in this website.From all the books and files i have seen my comments have been truthful. //

I am not disputing for a moment that what you say may be true - it's perfectly possible that it is, but it bears qualification that there is little concrete evidence that the situation you describe was actually the cause and effect that has been offered.

[ynnafymmi]

@20.42.The original recording can be found on the Beatles"Anthology 3",and it is krapp,but only because of Lennons sabotage(allegedly).

[Zacs-Master]

The one man argument is here I see, weaving his usual magic on another thread.

[andy-hughes]

ynna - //
@20.42.The original recording can be found on the Beatles"Anthology 3",and it is krapp,but only because of Lennons sabotage(allegedly). //

I have just played it, and all I got was a version of the song without the orchestral accompaniment - just piano bass and drums.

That sounds to me like an unused studio outake, and I see nothing wrong with it all, so quite why anyone would think a) that it was sub-standard, and b) that it was sub-standard because Lennon 'sabotaged' it - is a mystery to me.

[drmorgans]

I listened to both versions and think Macca's vocals on the original are a little over-powered by the orchestration, while the "Naked" version is stronger and less tremulous. Obviously, just a personal view.

[Spungle]

Another dead murderer. Good riddance.

[Togo]

Flawed genius as many are. I remember well in the 60s, where it all began, when he took a Martha Reeves b side(Heatwave 1963) and produced a classic. It was an Ike and Tina Turner track but Ike never even got in the studio. He as furious as it made him redundant and gave the voice that Spector wanted a singularity. An entire "story" of it's own developed from there of course. Whilst keeping one songster in captivity he released another. Spector produced this in 1966 for the River Deep Album. Ike didn't want it on the album but the Record company did.

[Smowball]

Who did he murder??

[ummmm]

The actress Lena Clarkson.

[andy-hughes]

Umm- Spector met Ms Clarkson at the House Of Blues nightclub and she returned with him to his mansion.

Within a short time, Spector's chauffeur heard a gun shot and allegedly Spector said he had shot her.

In court Spector claimed she was 'kissing his gun' when it discharged.

Evidence showed bruising of the victim's tongue indicating that the gun was forced into her mouth.

After the first trial returned a 10 to 2 verdict, a retrial found Spector guilty of Second Degree Murder, the equivalent of Manslaughter here.

Spector was sentenced to eighteen years to life.

[Smowball]

Thanks guys - I never knew that!

[andy-hughes]

Smo - // Thanks guys - I never knew that! //

A little more background - Spector was known to be a serious gun nut - instances of him threatening musicians in recording studios, including John Lennon and Leonard Cohen, are well documented, and he frequently waved guns at house guests, occasionally letting off shots randomly to intimidate people.

He was also known for a pathological dislike of people leaving his presence before he wished them to leave, which often resulted in more gunplay.

It may be this situation that caused the tragic death of Ms Clarkson, but obviously only they know what actually happened that night, and Mr Spector was probably too unreliable for a genuine account due to constant drug and alcohol abuse.

[Smowball]

He sounds very strange indeed.

[ynnafymmi]

Starting on channel 108 right now the film "Phil Spector",highly recommended.