Remove The Whip Boris.........

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-michael-gove-says-tory-mp-out-of-order-to-tell-anti-vaxxers-to-persist-against-restrictions-12201020
Another MAABOF eejit.

[royfromaus]

Spicerack
Although you wouldn't know it from reading AB, we don't live in a fascist state yet.
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Not got to German standards yet.

[Spicerack]

Consequences.

[ToraToraTora]

TCL: "Mr Wakefield is a former doctor who was struck off the UK medical register for a discredited study linking the MMR vaccine to autism." - that pillock has got a lot to answer for, because of him and moronic parents MMR is now making a comeback.

[naomi24]

https://www.autismeye.com/vaccine-inoculations-autism/

[jim360]

Misleading headline, misunderstanding of the original source, and for that matter even Zimmerman's position is heavily qualified by the usual and necessary uncertainty. The overwhelming body of evidence refutes any link between vaccines and autism, and even in the subset referred to there is no solid evidence of any link between the two.

[naomi24]

Nothing is set in stone.... unless it's set in stone.

[ichkeria]

“Pillock” doesn’t do justice to what he is.
Promoting himself and endangering lives with his dodgy science

[jim360]

Never said it was set in stone, but evidence exists for a reason, and the weight of that evidence is firmly against any relationship between vaccinations and ASD. Nothing in your link overturns that.

[naomi24]

I didn't say it overturns anything, Jim, but he's a paediatric neurologist. Are you?

[jim360]

I don't need to be any sort of medical expert in order to interpret statistical evidence, or in order to understand the overwhelming medical consensus.

[Spicerack]

I've no idea (well actually, I do) why Corby injected Wakefield into this thread. How many degrees of separation do you lot require to not make tenuous links?

[naomi24]

Jim, //I don't need to be any sort of medical expert in order to interpret statistical evidence, or in order to understand the overwhelming medical consensus. //

Until it changes. ;o)

Spicerack is quite right. Corby's introduction of this subject into the thread has taken it off track so that's all I have to say on it.

[jim360]

If and when the consensus changes, it will be because of further statistical evidence. Since you've never shown any inclination towards understanding that I'm not surprised that you don't appreciate the point, but, all the same, it's true. You're making the fatal error of confusing lack of absolute 100% certainty with an inability to draw any conclusions at all.

Bear in mind, too, that the correct statement is to the effect that "there is an overwhelming body of evidence against the hypothesis that there is a correlation between vaccinations and development of ASD". This statement necessarily leaves the door open to being overturned in future, but also makes clear that there is a very low probability of that happening. This isn't wrong; future evidence may change the assessment, but is in this case unlikely to. That is true of all scientific consensus. It is based on evidence; as more data is gathered the weight of evidence may change, but it is rare indeed that such a large body of data is overturned entirely.

[naomi24]

//Since you've never shown any inclination towards understanding that //

Oh I understand that very well indeed, Jim. You're renowned for your faith in statistics. :o)

[jim360]

I'll choose to take that as a compliment -- if you mean it as anything else, then it merely serves to underline my point that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

[naomi24]

I don't doubt that, Jim. You're always right - even when you're wrong. :o)

[ToraToraTora]

jim/naomi, get a room, please don't turn this thread into another tiff.

[naomi24]

Sorry, Tora. I did say I was out on that subject ... and I am.

[jim360]

I'm sorry, TTT, but I'm not going to let misinformation about vaccines go unchallenged, and I'm not going to let people who don't understand how to interpret statistics wear that as a badge of honour.

In any case, I'm wrong plenty of times. This isn't one of them. The overwhelming medical consensus, as you well know, is that there is no evidence of any link between autism and vaccines. By all means, Naomi is welcome to pretend that the question is undecided, but it is a pretence, a conceit, and an utter misunderstanding of statistics and of evidence.

[THECORBYLOON]

SPICERACK and NAOMI, my quote is from the link in the Question.

I used it to demonstrate the fact that he had been disputing the facts as recently as two week ago.

NAOMI, you have criticized folk for not using complete quotes so what is your problem this time?