What Killed George Floyd?

[Khandro]

After all that "Knee" business, it seems that may not be the cause of his demise:

https://www.takimag.com/article/who-and-what-killed-george-floyd/

[ToraToraTora]

ladies, please! what will the neighbours think?

[Zacs-Master]

They'll probably think Khandro is posting a link with an opinion in it by some off-the-wall (usually right wing) journalist or organ, and then criticising other people for providing links with counter opinions from more mainstream sources. They're used to it by now, I would think.

[Spungle]

I guess the moral is, if you want to stay alive, don't do drugs.

[Spicerack]

AaronSmith1919 //Baden found the cause of George Floyd's death as “traumatic asphyxia due to compression of his neck and back during restraint by police” and called the manner of death homicide. Wilson listed the death as “asphyxia due to neck and back compression led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.//

^This 'paid for'* report agreed with the official autopsy that there were no signs of asphyxiation or strangulation. That they based their 'findings' on the video of the incident. (ie. just like all the lay conclusion jumpers)
*Nothing wrong with paying/calling for a second opinion if you're suspicious of the first. Or you want an opinion more in line with whichever side pays for it. Happens all the time in the US. Not sure it's very common in UK trials although I'd guess that it's legal?

[Khandro]

Spicerack: Where was that from please?
But beware, Zacs master will be along soon to discredit its author, - & probably you!

[Spicerack]

The official autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxia or strangulation. And I just remember the paid for coroner agreeing but basing his conclusion on the video.
Read the latter, in several places, at least 9 months ago so can't pinpoint an article for you. (I'd google it but it's just the sort of info that google et al memory-hole)
Zacs gonna Zacs. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Sqad]

Interesting.....medical expert witnesses and lawyers are about to make a packet.
He clearly,based on autopsy findings DIDN'T die of asphyxia.
So what did he die of and was it trauma related?

[Spicerack]

IMO, sqad, when he was stopped by the police he swallowed his 'stash' of drugs. (as many do)
I believe he faced, rightly or wrongly, a life sentence if caught in possession of drugs.
What's certain is his heart gave out. Large quantities of Fentanyl and Amphetamines (which he had ingested) will do that to you.

[anneasquith]

I’m late to this thread. Is the consensus, that the knee on the neck for 8 minutes had NO impact on his death ?

[Zacs-Master]

'Zacs master will be along soon to discredit its author'

I will, if it's authored by the same level of racist, right wing, holocaust denying loonies that you used to support your arguments. Dead right I will!

[anneasquith]

Spice, where did you get the information re his ingestion of drugs prior to arrest ?

[Spicerack]

I think people watched the video, anne, and added 2+2 to make 5.
Very hard to roll that back even when the autopsy pointed elsewhere.
Especially when there are fortunes riding on it.

[Sqad]

Yes Spicerack, I take your point.
Clearly asphyxia wasn't the cause of death and we can forget windpipe events.
I think if we take all the PM findings as gospel and if I was prosecuting, I would go for death by Carotid Sinus Compression which caused a fall in BP, bradycardia and sudden death.
The Carotid Sinus is a group of receptors at 5he bifurcation of the csrotid arteries responsible for regulating BP and pulse rate.
Should be interesting.

[Spicerack]

From my own analysis of the incident, anne.
That's why I said it was my opinion.

[anneasquith]

Spice. I’ll ask again, where did you get the information re the drug ingestion? Is there a link ?

[Sqad]

anne...the drug ingestion came toxicology at the autopsy.

[pixie374]

12:08, Anne, I find that almost impossible to believe. I guess, technically he could literally have been about to die at that exact moment- and coincidently happened to have a knee on his neck. But it's really hard to believe it made no difference.
Surely, if your heart is already enlarged and struggling, even the stress and a brief lack of oxygen could overload it? So, while it might not be literal asphyxiation, it's hard to believe he would still have died at exactly that point. PP covered it, in the very first paragraph.

[pixie374]

Plus, he would be breathless if his heart was failing- and in spite of him saying that (how many times?). He was ignored- a very courageous, or a very stupid decision on behalf of the police.

[Spicerack]

Sqad, wouldn't your suggestion be a result of strangulation? The autopsy said there was no sign of it.

[Khandro]

//'Zacs master will be along soon to discredit its author'
I will, if it's authored by the same level of racist, right wing, holocaust denying loonies that you used to support your arguments. Dead right I will!//

Steady on Zacs, you're beginning to sound a trifle unhinged.