Saved In The Blink Of Time

[tiggerblue10]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/teen-declared-dead-breathes-again-hours-before-organs-were-to-be-donated-14334077/?ito=article.tablet.share.top.link

Lucky lad and his family must be so relieved and happy :o)

[ToraToraTora]

well you are thrashing about now bednobs, the whole better to die that live with mental impairment is a wide and massive subject. Are you suggesting it was better that this lad dies so the donor mafia can be correct?

[Peter Pedant]

no I am suggesting that the protocol wasnt followed.

and yes I am aware his condition has recently worsened
altho all the photos are 'before' and show someone upright and walking: he isnt

[Peter Pedant]

Gawd elp us . - - they'll cut me up for sushi - end-of!

[pixie374]

//so as I have always feared, live people are cut up before they die. Thanks, that's the first time anyone has ever said the truth of what happens.//

Not really, ttt. I've said that on AB before. There's been some debate as to whether organ donors can actually feel pain or not, and nobody seems entirely sure. Brain death is hard to judge, I think, it's not a definite test, but several you surmise an answer from (although happy to be corrected).

[ladybirder]

Don't forget you're all on the Donor List now unless you have opted out!
// Under the new law, all adults in England will be considered as having agreed to donate their own organs when they die unless they record a decision not to donate (known as 'opting out') or are in one of the excluded groups. \\

[pixie374]

I am registered on it, but this is why I didn't agree with the opt-out system. I know we need organs, but there seems to be no "informed" consent.
It can affect the way you might die, but I'm sure most people think it's just taking unneeded organs from dead bodies.

[ladybirder]

Really Pix, I never thought that. I put myself on the Donor list many years ago.

[pixie374]

So did I. I only have one personal experience, a few years ago, where my friends mil donated. She had been registered for years and had a sudden brain haemorrhage- so was suitable, but unconscious.
She wasn't allowed any morphine while she was dying, as it is metabolised by the liver (which turned out to be unsuitable anyway). I'm sure others can say which painkillers are not going to end up in the liver, but in any case, she ended up with nothing, because she was a registered donor.
She was also kept on a ventilator, until the transplant team was ready- and the recipients were in prepped and ready. I don't know if she was aware of that or not. She couldn't say.

[ladybirder]

Jeez pixie, that's horrendous. My son died of a brain haemorrhage in hospital with appropriate morphine relief. God forbid he had been a donor.

[pixie374]

So sorry to hear that, lb. And apologies- I didn't realise x
I'm the same with the vaccine really- 100% takeup- perfect. But I don't agree with bribery, blackmail and misinformation, as it takes away the "informed" and the "consent".

[ToraToraTora]

I've opted out LB.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie 12:28, that just reinforces my view on this, I don't trust the system.

[pixie374]

The transplant team took out her ventilator, and my friends literally sat with her to wait for her windpipe to collapse (no painkillers). She had exactly one hour to pass away- any longer, and it would have been a waste of time.
Honestly, I don't want to put people off, I'm still registered myself. But this doesn't just affect dead people, who know no different- people deserve the truth, particularly when it affects their living or dying.

[ToraToraTora]

I agree pixie, I get the impression that they are more concerned with whipping out the organs than helping or even saving the patient.

[pixie374]

Hard to say, ttt. Just that it isn't quite as simple as it sounds. However, it is also quite rare for somebody to be in a position to be able to donate. So a bit of a dilemma.
To give the other side- the ywar after this, my friends received 4 letters (posted through somewhere else). Two kidneys had saved two adults, who not only felt so much better, but also got their lives back, as they hadn't been allowed to travel more than an hour away from certain hospitals for several years. One got corneas- also a lifechanging and very much appreciated letter. And a newborn baby boy got heart valves and thrived....

[calmck]

When I was working "brain death" had to be certified using specific criteria and over a period of time and by more than one consultant doctor who would not be involved with any part of the transplant process.

[burlyshirley]

I have 'opted out'.

[bednobs]

sorry, only just came back to this thread.
What is "thrashing about", TTT?
"Are you suggesting it was better that this lad dies so the donor mafia can be correct? " i'm not even sure what that means either, but I am suggesting that in some cases, it's better (for the person as well as the people that love them!) to die, than be kept artificially alive, or live a live of non-awareness, not able to contribute to society, walk, talk, work, eat and drink independently, communicate and so on