Sebastian Shemirani .... Remarkable Young Man......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/son-of-antivaxer-urges-prosecution-over-speech-at-rally-dwxvm7cqf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszvsf

How can such a complete nut job give birth to such a level headed intelligent young man? Imagine how strong he must be to resist her brainwashing as he grew up, impressive.

[pixie374]

I can't see it all. But there's no such thing as "brainwashing", he's an adult and able to think for himself. She taught him that much.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie, people are not born as adults you know!

[Mamyalynne]

I watched him in interview last year - he's done well to survive.

[pixie374]

I know. Not what I said, either.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: It's exactly what you said, why are you starting of having a go at me rather than the post ?

[Lie-in King]

He's an impressive young man & is quite right about his mother, she needs a quiet, soft-walled room to meditate in.

[Mozz71]

Pixie, of course people can be brainwashed. Indoctrination as a child doesn't magically disappear at 16.

[Peter Pedant]

there is one in America - - my marm is mad - dont listen to her
I am pretty sure it is not this guy

'so deep in their conspiracies, that they cannot see a way out...'

[bobbinwales]

I think pixie simply means there was no lasting damage in this area at least

[pixie374]

Your OP suggested brainwashing- as if a child wasn't likely to have different opinions. I'm honestly not having a go- zI just know you aren't as ignorant as you like to make out. It would be forgivable, if you were stupid x

[pixie374]

Not possible, mozz. Children learn attitudes, behaviour and so on... but not necessarily agreeing with facts. Indoctrination isn't brainwashing.

[jno]

what's the difference between indoctrination and brainwashing, pixie? They mean much the same thing to me.

[pixie374]

Indoctrination is teaching people over time to accept something without criticising or thinking about it. Usually runs out by adulthood, unless there is a real problem.
Brainwashing is forcing someone to believe something against their own will. Nobody has ever ever succeeded, although millions have tried (particularly in the army).

[gness]

A remarkable young man indeed, TTT. I have a sister very similar to Sebastian's mother.

I wish my nephew had been as resistant to the brainwashing of his upbringing. He is now as mad and dangerous as my sister.

[pixie374]

Are you sure they aren't genetically related, gness?

[gness]

No...just crazy, Pixie....delusional with a pathetic need to be looked at and listened to.

[tomus42]

She may have been a good mother when he was growing up, and gone mad fairly recently.

The pandemic seems to have had that effect on some people.

[jno]

well, that's the thing, pixie: if brainwashing doesn't succeed, it's just indoctrination?

I wonder how many ABers vote differently from their parents?

[pixie374]

Or have any different views... anyway, thanks for trying jno :-). I think the purpose was outrage, more than truth, so... Will leave them to it... x

[Peter Pedant]

// wonder how many ABers vote differently from their parents?//
you would need a huge sample for this

altho you should have paired data - con-con, con-lab, lab-con lab-lab

you could just have same, different , smw same
coin tossing
and then you cd test to see if the coin were not true - too many sames or too many differences - BUT the natural variation is huge
only two thirds of natual variations is gonna be between 85-115

( that is just about any answer you get you would have to say this could be naturalk variation and the coin is unbiassed ) - - [bored]