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What Exactly Are These People Protesting For
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Why go for the Ports and Heathrow ? If it’s insulating homes they’re wanting?
Why go for the Ports and Heathrow ? If it’s insulating homes they’re wanting?
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"If the police don't stop this I think there will be a few martyrs. Call in the Orgreave squad!"
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teacake - // What I'm really saying is that the OP is proof that we need protests. //
No-one with an ounce of sense would ever deny that protest is necessary in a civilised society.
The problem is, the protest needs to not only have a clear direction and end result in mind, it should also provide from the beginning, a reasonable expectation that it will be understood by the people to whom it is directed, and a further expectation that its aims can be met.
The current protests meet none of these criteria - they simply alienate the people supposedly having their attention drawn to the reason for the protest, and since no government has or ever will respond to mob rule, they have no chance of a result for their actions.
// If you have people who have not got a clue about whats going on, and what may happen, should there be no action, then god help us:0) //
That view joins the protesters in insulting the intelligence and grasp of reality by the British public.
Anyone who is likely to be interested in the notion of climate change has had several decades to acquaint themselves with the available information and make an informed choice about their intention to act on it, or not.
The idea that everyone is suddenly going to have the scales fall from their eyes because a load of mob rulers have decided to disrupt the lives and jobs of a large number of people, is the sort of facile thinking that makes people think that this kind of action actually changes anything.
The people are aware, and disruption and anarchy are not going to improve the chances of action anywhere by anyone, so the protesters would be better employed in finding ways to alter opinion in a positive way, instead of knee-jerk mob action which does draw attention to their cause - but all of it is negative.
No-one with an ounce of sense would ever deny that protest is necessary in a civilised society.
The problem is, the protest needs to not only have a clear direction and end result in mind, it should also provide from the beginning, a reasonable expectation that it will be understood by the people to whom it is directed, and a further expectation that its aims can be met.
The current protests meet none of these criteria - they simply alienate the people supposedly having their attention drawn to the reason for the protest, and since no government has or ever will respond to mob rule, they have no chance of a result for their actions.
// If you have people who have not got a clue about whats going on, and what may happen, should there be no action, then god help us:0) //
That view joins the protesters in insulting the intelligence and grasp of reality by the British public.
Anyone who is likely to be interested in the notion of climate change has had several decades to acquaint themselves with the available information and make an informed choice about their intention to act on it, or not.
The idea that everyone is suddenly going to have the scales fall from their eyes because a load of mob rulers have decided to disrupt the lives and jobs of a large number of people, is the sort of facile thinking that makes people think that this kind of action actually changes anything.
The people are aware, and disruption and anarchy are not going to improve the chances of action anywhere by anyone, so the protesters would be better employed in finding ways to alter opinion in a positive way, instead of knee-jerk mob action which does draw attention to their cause - but all of it is negative.
naomi - // AH, //Are you saying that this poor lady's death was justified? //
That's called a question. //
Actually it's called misunderstanding what the poster has said, and then inferring something they clearly did not mean.
If you form a question with any variant whatsoever of "So what you are saying is ..." then you hit the So Rule.
You did - so just suck it up for once.
That's called a question. //
Actually it's called misunderstanding what the poster has said, and then inferring something they clearly did not mean.
If you form a question with any variant whatsoever of "So what you are saying is ..." then you hit the So Rule.
You did - so just suck it up for once.
"The problem is, the protest needs to not only have a clear direction and end result in mind, it should also provide from the beginning, a reasonable expectation that it will be understood by the people to whom it is directed, and a further expectation that its aims can be met."
But war is a different case( a protest too far )
"Operation Enduring Freedom primarily refers to the War in Afghanistan...
In 2020, the US left Afghanistan to the Taliban under an agreement ensuring a safe passage for American forces out of the country by mid 2021. On 15 August 2021, Afghanistan was back in the hands of Taliban, with US and allied forces withdrawing from Kabul Airport."
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But war is a different case( a protest too far )
"Operation Enduring Freedom primarily refers to the War in Afghanistan...
In 2020, the US left Afghanistan to the Taliban under an agreement ensuring a safe passage for American forces out of the country by mid 2021. On 15 August 2021, Afghanistan was back in the hands of Taliban, with US and allied forces withdrawing from Kabul Airport."
Got it.
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They are alienating members of the public by their actions. If they were more subtle in their protests they might get more support.
One day our planet will get old and die. We need to change our lifestyles to ensure that we put this off for as long as possible.
Jumping up and down in a temper tantrum about insulating houses, the use of carrier bags, palm oil, our eating of animal flesh etc is counterproductive.
Making small changes over a period of time will be more effective and people will, in general, support the initiatives.
We need to take an approach that will address all of the problem areas at the same time. We also need to consider the other species that we share our planet with. It is their home too.
One day our planet will get old and die. We need to change our lifestyles to ensure that we put this off for as long as possible.
Jumping up and down in a temper tantrum about insulating houses, the use of carrier bags, palm oil, our eating of animal flesh etc is counterproductive.
Making small changes over a period of time will be more effective and people will, in general, support the initiatives.
We need to take an approach that will address all of the problem areas at the same time. We also need to consider the other species that we share our planet with. It is their home too.
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