5 Unvaccinated England Footballers

[Stickybottle]

Will miss the next England match

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-world-cup-unvaccinated-players-25120692.amp

I know they are footballers but I read elsewhere that they consider themselves too fit to catch Covid
Do they not realise that it does not discriminate on age or health or gender ?
Bit ironic that the story breaks on the day Tom Daley reveals he caught Covid and was very ill as a result
The fact that they played in empty stadiums until recently does not appear to have registered with them !

[bobbinwales]

//Most likely they consider the risk of a vaccine is higher than the risk of death from Covid. And they would be most likely to be correct.//

Simply wrong and irresponsible - unless the person has specific rare conditions/risk factors and a qualified medical person (not some unqualified poster on social media) tells you otherwise based on those circumstances

[Gromit]

pixie374

Yes he did say that.
Which is why I copied and pasted it and put it in //quote//

[pixie374]

Not quite true, bobbin. Some people don't have obvious "risk factors". Some do, but have been pushed into having it anyway. GPs can advise, yes- but it's no more responsible to push someone "into" having a vaccine, than talk them out of it.
I look after a 96 year old gentleman, who had the first one, as advised. And instead of getting 4 angina attacks a year, had 4, the first week after. They are still much more severe and frequent than they were before the jab- but obviously, he won't come into "statistics".
If you aren't a GP of a particular poster- stop giving medical advice, on what people should or shouldn't do.
It doesn't affect "others", so people need to decide and assess risks for themselves.

[pixie374]

In some contacts, such as young, healthy, fit people...it is true, gromit. You seem to be ignoring context.

[Gromit]

Pixie,

// //Most likely they consider the risk of a vaccine is higher than the risk of death from Covid. And they would be most likely to be correct.//

No.

// I look after a 96 year old gentleman, who had the first one, as advised. And instead of getting 4 angina attacks a year, had 4, the first week after. They are still much more severe and frequent than they were before the jab- but obviously, he won't come into "statistics". //

But you don’t know the angina attacks are connected to the jab.

// As the MHRA explains: “The nature of Yellow Card reporting means that reported events are not always proven side effects. Some events may have happened anyway, regardless of vaccination. //

[pixie374]

We don't "know". For 40 years, he has had around 4 angina attacks a year. Covid jab, known for causing blood clots... he has had at least 4 a week since. And, quite sensibly, decided not to risk the second.
What would you have done, in his situation?

[Gromit]

Pixie,
Angina isn’t going to get better in a 96 year old. And it got worse.
Did the medics decide the jab was the cause of their increased angina attacks (and reported it) or was it self diagnosed ?

I have angina, and happily had my jabs.

[pixie374]

It was advised it was the most likely cause- due to the immediate severity and increase in frequency, so he chose not to. Not reported officially, just advised to him.

[Gromit]

Pixie
Following the medical advice is the correct thing he should do.
And the 5 young footballers should also follow the medical advice, and get vaccinated.

[pixie374]

They didn't 'advise' as they didn't know. They told him it was the likely cause and he decided himself.
No different here, give people accurate info, and let them decide.

[pixie374]

Similar to how, I had an allergic reaction to the first. The GP, covid team, vaccinator... had no idea if I should have the second. They all tried to pass it on to someone else. I chose to in the end, and took piriton. But clearly, my risk and my decision.

[Gromit]

I had a bad reaction to the first jab, but never hesitated to have the second.
Dying of covid unjabbed was never an option I considered.

[pixie374]

Dying from a jab obviously wasn't, either. Good for you, you made your own choice. Let others do the same.

[Spicerack]

The Covid jab obviously destroys brain cells. The drivel these covid fascists spout is mind numbing.
Full Fact, gromit? Seriously, lol.

[ToraToraTora]

"I know they are footballers but I read elsewhere that they consider themselves too fit to catch Covid " - well this guy was much fitter than any footballer: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/fit-and-healthy-man-42-from-southport-who-rejected-vaccine-dies-of-covid

[Gromit]

Got to laugh when someone rejects a fact check, but does not give an alternate. Not even an attempt to disagree with the fact check, just a bury their head in the sand response.

[Spicerack]

Lol,
//WHAT WAS CLAIMED
Official data shows twice as many people have died due to the Covid-19 vaccines in six months than people who have died of Covid-19 in 15 months.//

You know who claimed that, gromit?
That's right,,,,,,nobody.
You are a case in point, you had an independent brain that actually worked once in a while before you had your Covid shots.

[Canary42]

Got to laugh when a 94-year-old's experience is trotted out as a reason England Footballers shouldn't be vaccinated.

I know they play like a load of geriatrics at times but . . . . . (cont p94)

[Stickybottle]

youngmafbog
//The others are said //


Ah, so hearsay.

//they consider themselves too fit to catch Covid//

And where did you read that? More hearsay?

No youngmafbog
It is widely available on the internet:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10056403/amp/England-players-refusing-Covid-vaccines-face-mounting-pressure-jab-FIFA-issues-statement.html

It was reported over the weekend that the footballers have given a string of 'nonsense' reasons for not having the jab.

One said he was too 'young and fit', another believes it is a tool for government's to spy on people, and others are said to have been pressured against having it by their anti-vaxxer Wags.

You are welcome youngmafbog