Danish Bow And Arrow Attack

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Religion of peace at it again.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/suspect-norway-bow-and-arrow-killings-is-danish-man-police-say-2021-10-14/

https://news.sky.com/story/norway-bow-and-arrow-suspect-had-been-flagged-for-radicalisation-police-say-12433415

[Peter Pedant]

// It seems to be common in converts, rather than people who were born in the faith, to become radicalised.//

hoe true grom grom how true !

[youngmafbog]

//Behaviour like this is nothing to do with religion.//

Yes it does, certain religions attract this sort of nutter as, lets face it, it already has many in its midst.

Interesting choice of weapon though. Wonder who taught him to use that?

[naomi24]

AH, //Behaviour like this is nothing to do with religion.//

Best you tell the police. They seem to think it might be involved.

[fender62]

what do they hope to achieve by murdering innocent people, must think there version of god approves of it.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - // //Behaviour like this is nothing to do with religion.//

Yes it does, certain religions attract this sort of nutter as, lets face it, it already has many in its midst. //

In actual fact, all religions attract psychopaths, sadly it is Islam that seems to provide a framework for extreme reaction to non-adherents.

I appreciate this may well be rooted in fundamentals of the Arab psych, which prizes honour and respect, and a strict hierarchical culture.

But I always have and always will maintain, that passing off psychotic behaviour as being governed by interpretations of the Koran or Islamic teaching, is simply twisting receipt of perceived messages to facilitate uncontrollable murderous urges.

[youngmafbog]

I agree, all religions do attract the odd balls in life, perhaps because they are more open and not so judgmental?

But, at present, one religion stands out for violence against non believers and believers.

[andy-hughes]

fender - // what do they hope to achieve by murdering innocent people, must think there version of god approves of it. //

Clearly since there is no tangible 'approval' available, we have to face the fact that the murder is a reward for the psychotic mind, regardless of any facile attempts to dress up its motivation under a cloak of pseudo-religious respectability.

These people are not Muslims who become psychopaths, the psychopathy is already in place.

It simply needs the pretence of justification to make the perpetrator able to look at his reflection in a mirror without seeing the reality looking back at him - that he is an irredeemably horrible specimen with no right to exist. Instead he can tell himself that he is carrying out the righteous work his faith commands.

Whatever gets you through the night.

[naomi24]

//These people are not Muslims who become psychopaths//

No indeed. They're Muslims who think their way is the right way.

[ABSpareEditor]

ToraToraTora, please stop accusing AnswerBankers of being "TFOJ".

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // No indeed. They're Muslims who think their way is the right way. //

My point is, they are psychopaths first and most, and Muslims second and least.

[andy-hughes]

ABSE - // ToraToraTora, please stop accusing AnswerBankers of being "TFOJ". //

Thank you for that.

It is a fundamental requirement of debating to understand that not automatically attacking something does not automatically equate to defending it.

[naomi24]

AH, You’re mistaken. That would mean that islam lays claim to an extortionate number of psychopathic adherents - far more than any other religion on earth. That is obviously completely irrational …but we’ve been here before and I’m not getting into it with you again.

[ladybirder]

Phew!

[naomi24]

You sound relieved, LB. ;o))

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // That would mean that islam lays claim to an extortionate number of psychopathic adherents //

I would not dispute that Islam does foster more extreme behaviour than any other faith, but that cannot be the faith itself.

If that were true, the world would have been destroyed by now, because every Muslim would be adopting the psychopathic behaviour of the tiny minority, and that is clearly not the case.

I would reiterate that I believe that a lot of the cause is the Arab psyche and its reliance on strict structure and obediences as a culture, rather than simply the faith itself.

In my view that would be an over-simplistic, as we as inaccurate perception of what is going on.

I understand that you don't wish to debate the issue with me, but I am posting for the benefit of other AB'ers who may wish to do so.

[ladybirder]

Yes but No but Yes but ... Not sure how relieved to be just yet;-) Tick Tock.

[davebro]

Dunno if it's a significant factor but it seems these sorts of murderers are pretty much a failure in every other aspect of their lives so they really have nothing left to lose except maybe the continuation of a miserable existence.

[naomi24]

I’ll await results, LB. :o)

[burlyshirley]

Lol, at 14:10. That made me chuckle Ed !

[andy-hughes]

davebro - // Dunno if it's a significant factor but it seems these sorts of murderers are pretty much a failure in every other aspect of their lives so they really have nothing left to lose except maybe the continuation of a miserable existence. //

If you accept as a starting point, that murdering a stranger is the act of a psychopath, and that dressing it up with justifications such as religion does not alter that fundamental basic fact, then you also accept as a starting point that all normal points of reference are out of the window.

That means that this particular instance of psychopathy finds a home in bonding together with others in a 'gang' mentality that gives structure and meaning to an otherwise directionless life.

That sense of involvement and support can often elicit a need to put something into the organisation, not only to underline the newfound spirit of belonging, but to pay back the organisation with some definitive and observable act or pattern of behaviour.

This often starts with simply developing hostility to anyone who is not a part of the organisation, the 'brotherhood', and increases a distorted sense of superiority which is the pendulum swing of previously harboured feelings of insecurity an inadequacy.

That can then escalate to a pitch whereby the psychopath develops such a level of imagined superiority, and the need to express that feeling in as dramatic and high-profile a way as possible, and hey presto, you have a religious fanatic ready and willing to kill strangers.

But the vital point to remember is that these actions are motivated by escalating psychopathic impulses, which are not directly connected to the Muslim faith - they simply provide a convenient framework whereby the psychopath is free to exaggerate and distort religious teaching until it can be twisted to fit the murderous behaviour that follows, even though for the vast majority of followers of that faith, that is not ever seen as a way to express their beliefs.