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Time To Get Rid Of These Freak Shows?
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..... time to replace them with a proper organisation to perform all the functions of a council. I don't see why it needs part time political busy bodies, there must be a better way.
..... time to replace them with a proper organisation to perform all the functions of a council. I don't see why it needs part time political busy bodies, there must be a better way.
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//OK but I'm not sure who'd decide who would go in the local management- friends of MPs? Local business men ? Advertise the jobs?// Incredible as it may seem, bob, most commercial organisation
18:26 Fri 05th Nov 2021
The problem with organisations like this is, that along with individuals who genuinely wish to help and be productive, and are the majority, we also get numpties like this who are too fond of the sound of their own voices, and have planet-sized egos to go along with that unfortunate personality trait.
Councils will always have idiots like this, but that does not mean that the basic premise for having them is necessarily flawed and that they should be disbanded.
Let's face it, this is a 'junior' version of the Commons, and as recent events have shown, even the Mother of Parliaments is not immune to people who use it for their own ends.
Councils will always have idiots like this, but that does not mean that the basic premise for having them is necessarily flawed and that they should be disbanded.
Let's face it, this is a 'junior' version of the Commons, and as recent events have shown, even the Mother of Parliaments is not immune to people who use it for their own ends.
//OK but I'm not sure who'd decide who would go in the local management- friends of MPs? Local business men ? Advertise the jobs?//
Incredible as it may seem, bob, most commercial organisations manage to run their businesses and recruit staff without political oversight. Many Local Authorities contract out their services (such as refuse and so on) and those contracts usually allow for almost complete autonomy. There is no need for political oversight when letting these contracts. They could be let just as easily by an executive board as by a council. If you just take a step back and clear your mind of elected councils you can see that just about everything they do can be easily done by an unelected body working under central government guidelines.
Incredible as it may seem, bob, most commercial organisations manage to run their businesses and recruit staff without political oversight. Many Local Authorities contract out their services (such as refuse and so on) and those contracts usually allow for almost complete autonomy. There is no need for political oversight when letting these contracts. They could be let just as easily by an executive board as by a council. If you just take a step back and clear your mind of elected councils you can see that just about everything they do can be easily done by an unelected body working under central government guidelines.
Ha. Dream on. Wont happen. No party would do that. Its not the same as a business. Customers can shop elsewhere if they dont like a business. If theres no council or voting what can they do if they all dislike the body appointed to run all there services or the body decides just to eliminate a service or charge a extortionate rate for one ? Leave the area?
o god I thought you meant the House of Commons
your points would have cogency
//I'm sure you know my views on Local Authorities, Tora.// No NJ - tellus, ( a little later ) .....
Christ he's not really a judge innit
Education dictated by some old etonian in whitehall? we have seen the sort of child-molesting con man they are. he really wants that? at least locally you have a chance to influence change things
does anyone remember Shirl the Pearl skewering grammar skools 1964 ? we are the only society recorded where the parents are more numerate than todays skool generation.
Jesus
your points would have cogency
//I'm sure you know my views on Local Authorities, Tora.// No NJ - tellus, ( a little later ) .....
Christ he's not really a judge innit
Education dictated by some old etonian in whitehall? we have seen the sort of child-molesting con man they are. he really wants that? at least locally you have a chance to influence change things
does anyone remember Shirl the Pearl skewering grammar skools 1964 ? we are the only society recorded where the parents are more numerate than todays skool generation.
Jesus
//Customers can shop elsewhere if they dont like a business. If theres no council or voting what can they do if they all dislike the body appointed to run all there services or the body decides just to eliminate a service or charge a extortionate rate for one ? Leave the area?//
Once again, incredible as it may seem bob, Local Authorities are not the only organisations to provide many services. There are many private refuse collectors. Businesses have to use them as they do not get their refuse dealt with by the LA anyway. If the LA became one of only a number of providers dealing with domestic waste other businesses would enter that market. Think back a few years when Royal Mail had the monopoly on postal services. It was probably unthinkable then that other providers would enter that market. There is already choice in education, social care and even to a limited degree domestic waste. It just needs the LAs to be ruled out of the equation. You must think “the unthinkable”.
// NJ, when we were in the EU, was the UK not just a kind of local government?//
That is dependent on you believing that the EU is a sovereign State in its own right, tomus, with the members being simply subservient “parish councils”. I’ve never subscribed to that ridiculous notion but it’s certainly what the EU would like you to believe. That’s why it was so important that we left.
Once again, incredible as it may seem bob, Local Authorities are not the only organisations to provide many services. There are many private refuse collectors. Businesses have to use them as they do not get their refuse dealt with by the LA anyway. If the LA became one of only a number of providers dealing with domestic waste other businesses would enter that market. Think back a few years when Royal Mail had the monopoly on postal services. It was probably unthinkable then that other providers would enter that market. There is already choice in education, social care and even to a limited degree domestic waste. It just needs the LAs to be ruled out of the equation. You must think “the unthinkable”.
// NJ, when we were in the EU, was the UK not just a kind of local government?//
That is dependent on you believing that the EU is a sovereign State in its own right, tomus, with the members being simply subservient “parish councils”. I’ve never subscribed to that ridiculous notion but it’s certainly what the EU would like you to believe. That’s why it was so important that we left.
//There is no need for political oversight when letting these contracts. //
that is why the care workers get paid such crap -
this thread is the last gasp of Douglas Jay ( Pres of Board of Trade - Min of doo dah and industry now) - "you see the gentleman in whitehall reall DOES know best"
god help us as we are ruled by the Great and Good - all for our good and to their own great personal cost and sacrifice to boot
that is why the care workers get paid such crap -
this thread is the last gasp of Douglas Jay ( Pres of Board of Trade - Min of doo dah and industry now) - "you see the gentleman in whitehall reall DOES know best"
god help us as we are ruled by the Great and Good - all for our good and to their own great personal cost and sacrifice to boot
I mean think of avowed and determined whistle blower owen paterson: ionly paid £120 000 for whistleblowing ! ( own admission )
think what he might have got if he had put his mind to flouting the rules and canvassing for private gain in public matters! (*)
I swoon with shock - Hooray for NJ for telling it like it is !
(*) Clive or Hastings 1795 - accused of peculation in India, one of the first Nabobs [yes you will need a dictionary] - My Lords I am surprised at my own forebearance
think what he might have got if he had put his mind to flouting the rules and canvassing for private gain in public matters! (*)
I swoon with shock - Hooray for NJ for telling it like it is !
(*) Clive or Hastings 1795 - accused of peculation in India, one of the first Nabobs [yes you will need a dictionary] - My Lords I am surprised at my own forebearance
//So presumably if the road haulage industry had been entirely in public ownership there would not have been a problem then?//
Seems to depend on the day actually. One minute it’s totally commercial entities fault that they mismanaged HGV driver recruitment and the next minute they are perfectly capable of managing recruitment.
Seems to depend on the day actually. One minute it’s totally commercial entities fault that they mismanaged HGV driver recruitment and the next minute they are perfectly capable of managing recruitment.
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