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Well that was a bit of a disaster.
1. No proper apology but regret that he was caught
2. He didn’t know he was at a party
3. We should wait for the result of the Inquiry
4. Still insisting it was a business meeting despite his wife and child attending, and the email saying bring your own booze.
1. No proper apology but regret that he was caught
2. He didn’t know he was at a party
3. We should wait for the result of the Inquiry
4. Still insisting it was a business meeting despite his wife and child attending, and the email saying bring your own booze.
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//The majority were obeying the rules .// The majority of the population was, anne, as was the majority of politicians and civil servants. The issue here is that there were a sizeable number of senior politicians and civil servants - many of them responsible for devising the rules and enacting the legislation - who were not. They then treated the electorate...
19:34 Wed 12th Jan 2022
//The lying liberal green Johnsons are wrecking the Tory party.//
I quite agree, youngmaf. The longer this goes on the more BJ's version of Toryism will seem to be the accepted norm.
These examples of hypocrisy are bad enough but there are far more pressing matters to be addressed, not least the high taxation model now being pursued by the government, the ludicrous "Net Zero" strategy which will bankrupt the country for no good reason and the singular lack of any urgency to take advantage of the opportunities presented by Brexit. All of these seem to be dominated by the Prime Minister, aided and abetted by his wife with her hand up his back.
None of these policies will benefit the country in any way and will cause enormous damage, but they seem to be a "given". Tory voters need a Tory Party they can trust to champion the Tory cause. At present it's being led by someone who is more concerned with the wallpaper in his sitting room than the nation's wellbeing and the biggest danger of all is that voters who have nobody to vote for will do just that.
I quite agree, youngmaf. The longer this goes on the more BJ's version of Toryism will seem to be the accepted norm.
These examples of hypocrisy are bad enough but there are far more pressing matters to be addressed, not least the high taxation model now being pursued by the government, the ludicrous "Net Zero" strategy which will bankrupt the country for no good reason and the singular lack of any urgency to take advantage of the opportunities presented by Brexit. All of these seem to be dominated by the Prime Minister, aided and abetted by his wife with her hand up his back.
None of these policies will benefit the country in any way and will cause enormous damage, but they seem to be a "given". Tory voters need a Tory Party they can trust to champion the Tory cause. At present it's being led by someone who is more concerned with the wallpaper in his sitting room than the nation's wellbeing and the biggest danger of all is that voters who have nobody to vote for will do just that.
//The majority were obeying the rules .//
The majority of the population was, anne, as was the majority of politicians and civil servants. The issue here is that there were a sizeable number of senior politicians and civil servants - many of them responsible for devising the rules and enacting the legislation - who were not. They then treated the electorate with contempt and they continue to insult their intelligence by trotting out putrid and banal explanations and excuses.
The majority of the population was, anne, as was the majority of politicians and civil servants. The issue here is that there were a sizeable number of senior politicians and civil servants - many of them responsible for devising the rules and enacting the legislation - who were not. They then treated the electorate with contempt and they continue to insult their intelligence by trotting out putrid and banal explanations and excuses.
Although I have not seen Boris’s performance in PMQT today; I offer this analogy of his behaviour.
Then
Boris: There are rumours that a gang, based in 10 Downing Street have been involved in a bank robbery – I have been advised to no laws were broken in relation to this alleged bank robbery and I have set up an enquiry for find out exactly what has occurred.
Today (before any enquiry report)
Boris: There was indeed a gang based in 10 Downing Street who committed a bank robbery – and I was a member of that gang.
As I have said before, Boris is not a fit person to be put in charge of the stationery cupboard – let alone the country. It would appear that a number of my fellow countrymen are waking up to this realisation (TTT excluded).
Then
Boris: There are rumours that a gang, based in 10 Downing Street have been involved in a bank robbery – I have been advised to no laws were broken in relation to this alleged bank robbery and I have set up an enquiry for find out exactly what has occurred.
Today (before any enquiry report)
Boris: There was indeed a gang based in 10 Downing Street who committed a bank robbery – and I was a member of that gang.
As I have said before, Boris is not a fit person to be put in charge of the stationery cupboard – let alone the country. It would appear that a number of my fellow countrymen are waking up to this realisation (TTT excluded).
My issue with this is the dissembling that the PM is doing.
You can call a 'party' a 'works event', but that is just semantics, and it shows an unwillingness to accept the situation for what it was, and deal with it.
As far as i am concerned, you can call it a Teddy Bears' Picnic, the issue is not what it was called, but what it was -
A group gathering at unsafe distances among unrelated people breaking every single Covid Rule put in place by the very organisation whose employees were attending.
It looks as though they felt the rules simply did not apply to them - the PM included, whether he attended for five minutes, or all night is not the issue.
It's the fact that he attended at all that is the issue here.
They can, and will dissemble more, and wriggle, and make noises, but the facts remain, the government is staffed by some who are hypocrites, and run by someone who is one as well.
It is not acceptable, and the PM should resign.
He won't, but he should.
You can call a 'party' a 'works event', but that is just semantics, and it shows an unwillingness to accept the situation for what it was, and deal with it.
As far as i am concerned, you can call it a Teddy Bears' Picnic, the issue is not what it was called, but what it was -
A group gathering at unsafe distances among unrelated people breaking every single Covid Rule put in place by the very organisation whose employees were attending.
It looks as though they felt the rules simply did not apply to them - the PM included, whether he attended for five minutes, or all night is not the issue.
It's the fact that he attended at all that is the issue here.
They can, and will dissemble more, and wriggle, and make noises, but the facts remain, the government is staffed by some who are hypocrites, and run by someone who is one as well.
It is not acceptable, and the PM should resign.
He won't, but he should.
Well, I suppose we broke the rules at the time in that we live in a quiet country village and the dogs needs walking twice a day. So we walked him twice a day. Sometimes we met another couple, also walking their dog, but we stayed on the other side of the road, and exchanged some much needed chat. No-one was at risk from anyone.
This makes it difficult for me to condemn Boris. It is a massive difference in scale, however. I'm unsure how to process it except that I wasn't the one telling others how to behave.
This makes it difficult for me to condemn Boris. It is a massive difference in scale, however. I'm unsure how to process it except that I wasn't the one telling others how to behave.
What really turned the tide for me; 'May 20, 2020, was the 16th birthday of a friend’s son. His party was cancelled, of course, and his mates, who should have been having fun in the garden, brought presents which they posted over the gate. Not for them a chance to “make the most of the lovely weather”, as Martin Reynolds, the Prime Minister’s principal private secretary, urged in an email inviting a hundred Downing Street staff to a bring-a-bottle garden party.
If ordinary people attended such a gathering, they were arrested or fined. Four students in Nottingham were fined £10,000 after police broke up a party attended by 30 people. A 22-year-old was found guilty of “holding or being involved in a gathering of more than 30 people in a private dwelling contrary to Health Protection Regulations 2020”. He was fined £1,000.'
I'm afraid he must fall on his sword.
If ordinary people attended such a gathering, they were arrested or fined. Four students in Nottingham were fined £10,000 after police broke up a party attended by 30 people. A 22-year-old was found guilty of “holding or being involved in a gathering of more than 30 people in a private dwelling contrary to Health Protection Regulations 2020”. He was fined £1,000.'
I'm afraid he must fall on his sword.
While Boris and everyone involved must of been daft to think a party was a good idea and news wouldnt leak out, and it shows a n arrogance, a one rule for us and one for them, I am not sure I fully agree with Khandro's point that
//May 20, 2020, was the 16th birthday of a friend’s son. His party was cancelled, of course, and his mates, who should have been having fun in the garden, brought presents which they posted over the gate. Not for them a chance to “make the most of the lovely weather”, //
If the rules had just been very strong guidance for helth and safety reasons rather than a law/rule would your friends son and friends have had the party knowing all the risks khandro, thats the point.
Just because one group of people were arrogant and selfish and put thereselfs and others at risk don't mean others would or should of done the same
//May 20, 2020, was the 16th birthday of a friend’s son. His party was cancelled, of course, and his mates, who should have been having fun in the garden, brought presents which they posted over the gate. Not for them a chance to “make the most of the lovely weather”, //
If the rules had just been very strong guidance for helth and safety reasons rather than a law/rule would your friends son and friends have had the party knowing all the risks khandro, thats the point.
Just because one group of people were arrogant and selfish and put thereselfs and others at risk don't mean others would or should of done the same
//...except that I wasn't the one telling others how to behave.//
That's exactly the point, jourdain. It is especially so when the "telling" was accompanied by the threat of serious criminal sanctions which were indeed imposed, as Khandro has pointed out above. Many of the rules were pointless and did nothing to address the problems of the pandemic. But people in the main complied. Except these creatures. So arrogant were they in their belief that the rules did not apply to them, that they issued written invitations to a gathering which, if held by anybody else, would have seen fines imposed. They wanted people to comply with their orders but didn't have the good sense to understand that the best way to help ensure that would be to set a good example.
They've shot their bolt because if they ever try to impose such measures again they are likely to see widespread disobedience. That's what happens when you set bad examples to naughty children. The man presiding over this scandal needs to go - for more reasons than one.
That's exactly the point, jourdain. It is especially so when the "telling" was accompanied by the threat of serious criminal sanctions which were indeed imposed, as Khandro has pointed out above. Many of the rules were pointless and did nothing to address the problems of the pandemic. But people in the main complied. Except these creatures. So arrogant were they in their belief that the rules did not apply to them, that they issued written invitations to a gathering which, if held by anybody else, would have seen fines imposed. They wanted people to comply with their orders but didn't have the good sense to understand that the best way to help ensure that would be to set a good example.
They've shot their bolt because if they ever try to impose such measures again they are likely to see widespread disobedience. That's what happens when you set bad examples to naughty children. The man presiding over this scandal needs to go - for more reasons than one.
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