I'm Beginning To Like This Guy!

[Sqad]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10500557/Prince-Andrews-ex-massage-therapist-claims-Royal-constant-sex-pest.html

[Sqad]

Gromit/A-H

Quite, but surely the OP set the scene for some poetic licence in which the thread could develop.

Perhaps not.

[andy-hughes]

Bobbi - // AH , are you practicing your after dinner speeches for your up and coming cruise with ABers on here? //

Since I am not delivering after dinner speeches, that would be a strange thing to do, which would be why I am not doing it.

All I see are realms of words at people that really don’t add up to much //

Fair enough.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // Question Author
Gromit/A-H

Quite, but surely the OP set the scene for some poetic licence in which the thread could develop. //

You know how the site works - if you want to start a debate, you need to offer a position, a view, or ask a question.

You did none of these, which is fine if you simply want to confirm your personal attraction to the prince, but you can't then come on and say the thread did not develop as you thought, or hoped, it would.

[naomi24]

AH, //whose opinions may matter//

What an odd thing to say. No one here has any effect on my life whatsoever so I really can't imagine who you think they might be.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH, //whose opinions may matter//

What an odd thing to say. No one here has any effect on my life whatsoever so I really can't imagine who you think they might be. //

I didn't say that anyone has 'any effect on your life'.

I did say that someone's opinion may matter to you - if it doesn't, that's fine, good to know I'm not the only one you don't care about.

[naomi24]

There you go. Happy days.

[andy-hughes]

Indeed.

I am keen to see what Atheist makes of your response to his perception that any attractive woman is just dying to be sexually propositioned by a complete stranger - especially if the stranger is him.

[andy-hughes]

Well it's all gone very quiet!

I wonder if Sqad, and especially Atheist, are too scared/ashamed to show their faces...

[237SJ]

I knew of a guy at work who used to proposition women all around the world. He would literally be crossing the road in New York and would ask a woman "Do you fancy a shag" He picked them up everywhere - the hotel lobby, shops etc. He said that if he asked enough women, there was always someone who would say "Yes."

[Atheist]

Hello, Andy. I have never suggested that "any attractive woman is just dying to be sexually propositioned by a complete stranger". I have never propositioned a woman in such a way. I have never said that I presume myself to be so irresistible that any woman would swoon at my feet. You are doing to me what I have seen you do to others; taking offence at some idea and then taking it out on the 'perpetrator' with a bit of personal criticism.

[douglas9401]

"I wonder if Sqad, and especially Atheist, are too scared/ashamed to show their faces..."

Or too fed up being talked down to by the greatest living pretentious spokesman for the distaff side.
Wiping the falling flecks from the eyes is unpleasant.

[Sqad]

A-H ///I wonder if Sqad, and especially Atheist, are too scared/ashamed to show their faces////

I can't speak for Atheist but I am neither scared or ashamed.
Why should I be?

Your contributions to threads lengthen them to a tiring and eventual inconsequential end, so at some time appointed my confused cerebral cortex, I just jump ship.

[naomi24]

Scared? Of what?

[burlyshirley]

Keep up your posts Dougie, as well as being very witty, they are totally spot on ..

[Ellipsis]

> He said that if he asked enough women, there was always someone who would say "Yes."

And what of the other 999 he'd offended to land that one? This is the definition of a sex pest.

Especially if it's considered "the norm" so it's not just him doing it, but a significant percentage of men. Then women's lives would be quite miserable.

[andy-hughes]

Atheist - // Hello, Andy. I have never suggested that "any attractive woman is just dying to be sexually propositioned by a complete stranger". I have never propositioned a woman in such a way. //

Let me remind you of one of your posts on this thread -

// But one way to get sex is to ask every man/woman you meet if they would like to do it with you. If they say no, then you should respect that. If they say yes, then you have both struck lucky. //

If you don't proposition women in that arrogant and ignorant way, then why post it as a 'suggestion'?

If you don't qualify your observation, people are naturally going to assume it is a view that you subscribe to.

Then you come out with this little gems of understanding and empathy -

// Ellipsis; is it disrespectful to ask a woman if she would like to have sex with you? Surely it's a polite way to act. Is it disrespectful to ask if she would like to go out to dinner with you? //

// Ellipsis. Why? If I meet an attractive woman (regardless of age) And politely ask if she would consent to have sexual pleasure with me, is that disrespectful? It's not rape. It's not gaslighting. It's not bullying. It's not aggressive. What is it? //

Now that is a contradiction of your response to me, saying that attractive women are not waiting to be propositioned, because clearly in your world, they absolutely are.


Then you respond to me -

// Andy; I ask a woman a question. I do not presume that she would say 'yes'. She sees that I am not a rapist or a sadist. She replies as she wishes. Two adults exchange a few words heart to heart.
I presume that a woman can answer a straight question without falling into a faint. If she does fall into a faint then I realise I have been insensitive and I loosen her clothing..... Oh god, this is ridiculous. Are we living in Victorian times? //

Perhaps you might like to re-read that, and ask if you really want to come across as someone who thinks that asking random strange women for sex is appropriate behaviour.

We'll leave out the bit about 'loosening her clothing' and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are trying to be amusing.

Failing spectacularly and tastelessly, but trying.

And having posted your willingness to assume that strange women you have not met must automatically share your 'liberal' views towards sexual propositioning, even though I would seriously doubt that any of them actually do, you bleat about not being challenged by any female AB'ers, which you clearly think means your views are acceptable.

And from one of the site's most level-headed and reasonable female posters you get this -

// From Naomi - Atheist, //is it disrespectful to ask a woman if she would like to have sex with you?//

Yes.

//She sees that I am not a rapist or a sadist//

She sees that you’re a creep.

//I'm surprised that it's so far only men who have reacted strongly against my posts.//

That's probably because any woman with a modicum of self-respect is disgusted by your appalling attitude. As for black eyes, your eyes wouldn't be my target! //

And unsurprisingly, you have ignored it.

Atheist, if you want to go through life assuming that every woman automatically needs to approach sexual propositioning as you do - a turkey shoot in which you may or may not get lucky, and if not, no harm done, move on - then that's fine.

If you don;t mind getting your face slapped with tedious regularity, or as Naomi suggested, something a little more direct.

And you finish with -

// You are doing to me what I have seen you do to others; taking offence at some idea and then taking it out on the 'perpetrator' with a bit of personal criticism. //

No Atheist, I am pointing out the horrible creepy misogynistic attitude you display towards women under the apparent ludicrous belief that because you are so '21st century' in your pursuit of casual sex, then every woman you approach with it is going to be of a similar mind ... .

[andy-hughes]

... It's not a 'bit' of personal criticism, it is a comprehensive condemnation of your attitude towards women, and I absolutely think you should be ashamed of yourself.

But on the basis of your demonstration of understanding and respect of other people, I know you won’t be.

[andy-hughes]

burlyshirley - // Keep up your posts Dougie, as well as being very witty, they are totally spot on .. //

And not at all the pointless off-thread personal digs that you can't resist derailing the thread with.

[douglas9401]

Tough gig Andy, you against the rest of the world.

Wonder who's out of step, the rest of the world I expect.

Must move on now, tracks to repair after a downpour of lonely tears and an avalanche of crushing boulders. X

[andy-hughes]

Goodnight Douglas.