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ichkeria | 09:38 Mon 21st Feb 2022 | News
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How would he be handling the Ukraine crisis?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/20/europe/biden-putin-macron-ukraine/index.html

I was going to post this in “politics” as it isn’t strictly news but a “what if” and not normally the sort of question I like. But that doesn’t appear to have changed yet.
But I’ve been pondering it a bit lately and so thought I’d raise it

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The US and Obama’s reaction to the annexation of Crimea in 2014 -
/On 1 March, Obama held a phone conversation with Putin and said that the Russian invasion was a "violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity ... [and a] breach of international law." He warned of "greater political and economic isolation" and threatened to withdraw the United States from the 40th G8 summit chaired by Russia. //

The US boycotted the Winter Olympics. In effect in was a green light to Russia to do whatever it wants with Ukraine, and now they are doing.
Trump ( Times today) has said he made sure Russia wouldnt invade Ukraine

( he said for chrissakes)
the commentators ( and I agree ) have said that 2014 everyone said 'lets wait and see and not be precipitate'
whereas now 2022, everyone is saying - 'it is obvious what he is doing and we are gonna have to do somehting'
The only sanction against Russias annexation of Crimea in 2014 that hurt was its expulsion from the G8.
Trump lobbied long and hard for his buddy Vlad to be invited back.
The 2020 G7 meeting was scheduled to take place in the US and Trump said he was going to invite Russia. Everyone disagreed, and the UK were against it. The G7 ruld that Russia could not be invited, and the event was cancelled due to covid.
What Trump said about Crimea: -

// President Donald Trump told G7 leaders that Crimea is Russian because everyone who lives there speaks Russian, according to two diplomatic sources.
Trump made the remarks over dinner last Friday during a discussion on foreign affairs at the G7 summit in Quebec, Canada.
Vladimir Putin defended Russia’s intervention in Crimea at the time, saying that he had the right to protect Russian citizens and Russian speakers in Ukraine.
During the dinner, Trump also seemed to question why the G7 leaders were siding with Ukraine. The president told leaders that "Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world." //

Pretty clear from that what Trump would do now if he was still in charge.
Trump would have a round of golf and go in the clubhouse. If anyone mentioned Ukraine he’d order a Chicken Kiev.
Trump MAABOF....end of
Brilliantly, for one he know who putin is and wouldn't try and sniff his hair.
Putin is rich beyond normal comprehension because of the reliance on his gas by the EU and Germany in particular. The gas deal via Ukraine was part of the accusations against Bidens son and likely corruption and "promises" for the future. The Biden administration duly cancelled the Israeli gas pipe line that Trump had arranged, leaving Germany and Europe at the mercy of Putin. The current, disputed, gas pipeline into Germany and the EU was organised by Frau Merkel, born in communist East Germany. Trump knew what was coming and was taking steps to counter what we now have. Russia with the whip hand and the economic means to criple all who oppose him. America was a net producer of gas and oil when Trump was Potus. In the short time since, America is now dependant on foreign gas and oil again. Russia gained the whip hand by default or design, and if it was by design it was designed by the Biden/Clinton team. Putin will not stop with Ukraine, Poland and Hungary are watching carefully. Yugoslavia anyone? He will sort out the illegal immigration into any areas he controls I suppose though. Mind how you go.
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On the subject of MAABOF …

Putin’s rambling address to his people this evening:
“Ukraine was created by Lenin. Naughty Lenin. But then, they tore down Lenin’s statues. How dare they.”

And unlike Trump, he does have his his finger on the button still …
Trump could never have achieved such consensus:

https://aftershock.news/sites/default/files/u35901/FMJhTCgX0AY87c6.jpg
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A week ago I said this:

“ The big worry I’d have is that his pretty obsessive self isolation during the pandemic has sent him over the edge.
Of course were that to be true it would be his undoing”

That speech tonight would suggest there may be something in that.
And there are reports his generals are not happy,
Getting away a bit from Trump, but interesting nonetheless
The president told leaders that "Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
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It is.
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The 2022 rankings have Russia at 46th most corrupt country in the world and Ukraine 58th.
In 2021 in fact worldreview had Russia agonisingly just outside the medals at 5th.
Depends on your idea of “one of the most” and whether you include yourself in that. Bearing in mind it’s for the consumption of the locals.
Still, one of his less utterly bizarre observations.
A lot to unpick in Togo’s dump of disinformation.

1. No wrong doing was ever found about Hunter Biden.
2. The EastMed pipeline was cancelled because theUS didn’t want to ***-off Turkey who are dead against it, and for environmental concerns. The US now favours an electric cable from Egypt to Greece that can transfer some electricity generated from renewable sources.
3. The US become energy self sufficient long before Trump was in power due to large scale fracking operations. The US exported more oil than it imported in 2020 during Trumps time, but that was due to covid, and energy demand falling sharply during lockdown. US industry was running at half capacity to imports dropped sharply. Now lockdown is over, large oil imports are back.
4. America produces mainly light oil, when they need a lot of heavier oil. So more foreign crude is coming in, but they are still exporting a lot of light oil.
5. Poland, Hungary and Yugoslavia do not have strategic Russian military bases on their territory - Ukraine does. Putin won’t be bothered about regaining most of the Warsaw Pact countries. But ones that are of great security and strategic importance to Russia, he may fight for. That is only Ukraine, and I am still not convinced he is prepare to go, as much as he wants to. This week will be crucial.
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A lot to unpick in Togo’s dump of disinformation.
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sozza Ich you were quite right?

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That is only Ukraine, and I am still not convinced he is prepare to go, as much as he wants to. This week will be crucial.


oops no change that to mystic meg award
"Trump rips Biden on Ukraine: ‘This should have never happened’"

Remember the Keysone cop out? The pipeline from Canada( the Worlds largest heavy oil producer by a wide margin and more than any other 3 countries that you care to name)was specifically signed off by the Trump administration and building it was well under way in 2020. Biden cancelled it within 4 days ... 4 days! of taking office. If that was not fulfilling promises to other agencies nothing was. He even campaigned on a ticket that promised to keep it. The Canadians were none to pleased either, and the price of fuel in the US is at an all time high and rising at its fastest rate. The pipeline from Canada would have ensured World stability and ensured that rocketing fuel prices could not enrich the dictators around the World. Trump was civil even sickly flattering to Putin and Jinping across the table to their faces, but was kicking em black and blue under it. Biden talks the big man but is doing something entirely different under the table.

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