Conned Again' By The Con Party.

[gulliver1]

Boris says the rise in NI tax is the right thing to do and is good for the Country.He had to make this very difficult decision because of the
NHS backlog. What happened to the £350 million a week you saved from Brexit Boris, that was supposed to be going to the NHS ?.
Or did that money go to the Cronie Party ?.

[1ozzy]

If you say so

[gulliver1]

You rambling on again Naomi. You are getting better than Boris at it now.

[Ellipsis]

> If you're equating Amazon's legal tax avoidance with Sunak's wife legal tax avoidance, then by that measure all legal tax avoidance is wrong.

No, I did not do that. I pointed out that a lot of people have a gripe about Amazon's tax arrangements - likewise Starbucks, Google, Apple, etc etc

But Amazon is not married to the Chancellor.

When Mr Sunak was debating breaking an election manifesto pledge not to raise National Insurance, and decided to actually break that pledge, did he also consider things that weren't covered by a manifesto pledge, like non-dom status, businesses like Amazon, etc? Because I don't notice that they've been hit by tax rises, yet we, who were apparently covered by a manifesto promise, have been.

And it's very hard, almost impossible, to think that Mr Sunak would consider the beneficial tax arrangements enjoyed by non-doms and think to himself "Let's do something about that", when his own family is such a large beneficiary of those arrangements.

[Deskdiary]

Lots of words without saying anything ellipses.

Somebody legitimately avoiding £1 tax is no different to somebody legitimately avoiding £10m tax.

The principle is the same and it matters not one jot whether it’s Sunak’s wife or your next door neighbour.

The principle is exactly the same.

If it’s avoidance, it’s legal.

[Peter Pedant]

// In fact I'd go further than that and say they have an absolute duty to reduce their tax bill to the minimum legally required.//

um no -if they did, then you could sue them for the breach of that duty . - absolute right

yup. "Every man can order his affairs to minimise his liability" 1962. A lawyer said, "that is so recognised that you dont even have to have a precedent for it."

a guy called Hohfeld pointed out the differences and relation between rights and duties

as for £350m a week - what is so very wrong with saying that the conservatives lied and lied and lied about it?
and then lied about having said it
and then lied.... o lardy dah !

[Peter Pedant]

// it matters not one jot whether it’s Sunak’s wife or your next door neighbour.//

hmm what is the difference between saving £10m and saving £1m ?
Poor man: hmm about £9m I think
ter daaah !
a little jokey ( gk urn joke) to lighten up the forest of words and storm of lies

[Peter Pedant]

on the day that Boris not the Bonka but the becker, concealed assets in a bankruptcy hearing
he gonna go down innit - sozza - - lapsing into broad AB speak so that even the lowest tax payer on AB can understand...

[Peter Pedant]

// People who have an ISA are avoiding tax.//
jesus not much
the rates are really crap

[Ellipsis]

> it matters not one jot whether it’s Sunak’s wife or your next door neighbour

Eh well that's your opinion, thanks. I think perhaps if a Labour Chancellor was in the same position that you'd see the hypocrisy a little more clearly ...

[Deskdiary]

^^^except I wouldn’t.

People are annoyed because she’s rich.

It’s a particularly British trait with some that I find annoying.

She shouldn’t be required to pay more than she’s required to pay just because she’s rich.

[Ellipsis]

I'm not annoyed by her at all.

I'm annoyed by him, breaking a manifesto pledge without first exhausting every other tax raising opportunity, e.g. non-doms. For example, he could have put the £30k up to £100k, but he didn't even do that ...

[Deskdiary]

Ellipsis, I entirely agree - I don’t want to pay any more tax, and they have broken an election promise, but here’s the thing, we’ve been paying people sit on their backsides for a year. I felt it was entirely wrong to do so, but as we did, it needs to be paid back. Beating up any party for a manifesto breach before we needlessly paid people to sit on their fat *** at the expense of the tax payer is utterly wrong, and you damn well know it’s wrong, but to spin that that to Sunak’s wife wife doing something wrong is desperate.

[Ellipsis]

I wasn't doing that, my focus was him. But forgot it, she's paying the tax now anyway.

BBC News - Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61045825

[Deskdiary]

So she’s paying tax she doesn’t actually need to pay.

That will please you and others.

I hope you’ll pay more tax than you need to pay.

If you won’t, why?

I sincerely hope you’ll pay more than you need to, otherwise you’re a hypocrite.

[gulliver1]

Sunaks wife has now changed from being
A Non Dom,.... into a Non Con .
Pity her husband won't do the same.

[Ellipsis]

> That will please you and others.

Nope, you obviously don't read what I write. For me, this is not about her. It seems to be for you though.

The issue is that the Chancellor sets the rules, and he chose not to do anything about the non-dom situation which his rich family was hugely benefiting from, while at the same time breaking a manifesto pledge which will cause hardship for many families that are less well off than his.

And in choosing to pay more tax, it's now cost his family hugely more cash, but it hasn't actually addressed the issue that non-doms are not really paying a fair share at a time when we need them to. If Sunak had put their non-dom fee up from £30k to £100k, and then it later emerged that his wife was a non-dom, he would have come out smelling of roses as it would be clear that his own family was paying £70k a year more through the choices he made. But when he does nothing with non-dom status, at a time when everyone else is hit with broken promises and tax hikes, then even when his family ends up paying £2m rather than £30k, he ends up smelling of manure rather than roses. And still, every other non-dom in the country is not really paying their share to live in this country in these high tax times.