A Party Too Far ?

[gulliver1]

Boris Johnsons ambition was to make his name remembered in History.
He has certainly achieved That.
Boris Johnson is the first serving Prime Minister in history to have broken the Law. He and his Con Party thought they were above the Law.
It is time for him and his Cons to go . he has taken the Pee far too long .
....Get Rid ..

[ToraToraTora]

not much of a bash then danny!

[gulliver1]

I am surprised Boris has not started smoking cigars and drinking brandy , he has already fought 27 European countries and won , or so he believes.

[gulliver1]

It's Boris's Father Stanleys fault , he used to walk around the house quoting Churchill and singing rule Brittania when Boris was a child... LOL.

[Sqad]

All good points for and against the reignation/sacking of the Prime Minister and or Richi Sunak.

My problem is, this is without evidence from further police enquiries and without the Sue Grey report which one would guess would go against our Prime Minister.
The drip, drip of immoral and illegal incidents which are present and almost certainly causing further damage to the Conservatives.

I am usually a "that was then, this is now" man, but I have to be honest I cannot see Boris surviving this.........but I bet he will.

[anneasquith]

The man tells lies .

[ToraToraTora]

can you give me an example anne? No one has found an actual porky yet.

[Gromit]

The police have not yet made any judgements on the bring your own booze garden party which the Prime Minister attended. There were 19 guests (not 6).
So the PM is still liable for another potential fine, if not several fines. This not only undermines the PMs authority, but damages the office of leader of the Government.
Compounded by the blatant and repeated lying and lack of contrition.
You maybe could say he was dim or naive to find himself fined once. If he is fined a second or third time, surely stupidity can not be his defence, and the repeat offending is a pattern of being above the law.

[ToraToraTora]

anne see my post at 09:37 if that helps.

[ToraToraTora]

still waiting for an actual porky though gromit.

[Gromit]

TTT, here is a comprehensive lust of Boris telling ‘porkies’ over the lockdown parties. Courtesy of the Metro paper:

BEFORE being fined Boris Johnson had repeatedly denied lockdown-breaking parties took place — and attending them. Here’s what he said, where and when:

'What I can tell the right honourable and learned gentleman is that all guidance was followed completely in No.10' — House of Commons, December 1, 2021

'The right honourable and learned gentleman drivels on irrelevantly about wallpaper and parties, playing politics' — House of Commons, December 1, 2021

Asked why he would not explain his account of the allegations: ‘Because I have told you, and what I want to repeat is that the guidance is there and I am very, very keen people understand this’ — Sky News, December 2, 2021

'All the guidelines were observed. I think the right honourable and learned gentleman probably missed what I said at the beginning but I apologise for the impression that has been given that staff in Downing Street take this less than seriously. I am sickened myself and furious about that but I repeat what I have said to him: I have been repeatedly assured that the rules were not broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021

'I repeat that I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021

'Because I have been repeatedly assured that no rules were broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021

'All the evidence I can see, people in this building have stayed within the rules. If that turns out not to be the case and people wish to bring allegations to my attention or to the police… then of course there will be proper sanctions' — Daily Mirror, December 8, 2021

'I can tell you once again that I certainly broke no rule. All that is being looked into' — ITV News, December 13, 2021

'Those were people at work, talking about work. I have said what I have to say about that' — BBC News, December 20, 2021

Asked if he and wife Carrie attended a Downing Street party organised by his private secretary Martin Reynolds on May 20: ‘All that, as you know, is the subject of a proper investigation by Sue Gray’ — Sky News, January 10, 2022

'I want to say sorry. Sorry for the things we simply didn’t get right and sorry for the way this has been handled. I understand the anger people feel. It is not enough to say sorry, this is a moment to look in the mirror and learn' — House of Commons, January 31, 2022, after civil servant Sue Gray published her first Partygate findings.

'I am afraid he is completely in error' — House of Commons, February 9, 2022, after Labour MP Fabian Hamilton challenged him over a 2020 Downing St photo ‘showing the PM surrounded by alcohol, food and people wearing tinsel’.

'It’s for the Met to make that judgment rather than the prime minister. You will hear more from the prime minister once the report has concluded' — His official spokesman on March 29, 2022, telling reporters he refused to accept the law was broken under the PM’s watch.

[Gromit]

// I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken' //
— Boris Johnson, House of Commons, December 8, 2021

50 fines (there’ll be more) show that statement to be wholly untrue,

[ToraToraTora]

well lets take them in order shall we:
//'What I can tell the right honourable and learned gentleman is that all guidance was followed completely in No.10' — House of Commons, December 1, 2021// - a belief and matter of opinion and still unclear.

//Asked why he would not explain his account of the allegations: ‘Because I have told you, and what I want to repeat is that the guidance is there and I am very, very keen people understand this’ — Sky News, December 2, 2021// - a stateement of fact, the guidance is there.

//'All the guidelines were observed. I think the right honourable and learned gentleman probably missed what I said at the beginning but I apologise for the impression that has been given that staff in Downing Street take this less than seriously. I am sickened myself and furious about that but I repeat what I have said to him: I have been repeatedly assured that the rules were not broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021// - that's what he believed to be the case and it's still very subjective as to what constitues "rules" - eg he was at a place of work with work colleagues, that is legal.

//'I repeat that I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021// - ditto above

//'Because I have been repeatedly assured that no rules were broken' — House of Commons, December 8, 2021// - ditto

//'All the evidence I can see, people in this building have stayed within the rules. If that turns out not to be the case and people wish to bring allegations to my attention or to the police… then of course there will be proper sanctions' — Daily Mirror, December 8, 2021// a belief at the time and the police have evaluated and sanctions have been applied, that's the truth.

//'I can tell you once again that I certainly broke no rule. All that is being looked into' — ITV News, December 13, 2021// - He believed that to be the case and there is some support for that outside of this.

//'Those were people at work, talking about work. I have said what I have to say about that' — BBC News, December 20, 2021// that's the truth and legal

//Asked if he and wife Carrie attended a Downing Street party organised by his private secretary Martin Reynolds on May 20: ‘All that, as you know, is the subject of a proper investigation by Sue Gray’ — Sky News, January 10, 2022// - he didn't answer the question, how is that a lie?

//'I want to say sorry. Sorry for the things we simply didn’t get right and sorry for the way this has been handled. I understand the anger people feel. It is not enough to say sorry, this is a moment to look in the mirror and learn' — House of Commons, January 31, 2022, after civil servant Sue Gray published her first Partygate findings.// - so an apology is a lie in lefty land??

//'I am afraid he is completely in error' — House of Commons, February 9, 2022, after Labour MP Fabian Hamilton challenged him over a 2020 Downing St photo ‘showing the PM surrounded by alcohol, food and people wearing tinsel’.// - opinion

//'It’s for the Met to make that judgment rather than the prime minister. You will hear more from the prime minister once the report has concluded' — His official spokesman on March 29, 2022, telling reporters he refused to accept the law was broken under the PM’s watch.// opinion, where is the lie?

still waiting for an actual porky:
Lie: "saying something untrue, knowing it to be untrue"

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit: \\// I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken' //
— Boris Johnson, House of Commons, December 8, 2021 \\ - he has been assured by someone how can that be a lie? I am assured by some that the world is flat, am I lying by being assured of something? Literacy issues abound!

[maggiebee]

Yes, Susie Dent got it right with her word of the day on Tuesday, Bojo is a ‘maw-worm’

[Gromit]

ToraToraTora,
10:19 // Literacy issues abound! //

Indeed they do. Boris told the house that he had been told no party had taken place and no covid rules were broken. He related this advice because he believed whoever was telling it.

Ignorance is not a defence. In Johnson’s case he knew the advice was wrong/ misleading/untruthful because he was in attendance at several of the parties. If no lickdown rules were broken, why has he, Sunak and Carrie been fined?

[ToraToraTora]

"Ignorance is not a defence." - I agree, it's not a lie either.

[ToraToraTora]

there is still a lot of debate as to whether the birthday party was illegal anyway. It was a gathering of people who all work in the same place anyway. That was allowed at the time. In the interests of moving on the PM has accepted plod's evaluation but it seems to me that it would be disputable if he were minded to do so.

[Gromit]

TTT
He told the house that no lockdown rules were broken. They were - that was a lie. He was at the Parties and has eyes.

[Old_Geezer]

Why isn't this over by now? One individual's definition of a party differed from another's. Big deal. Didn't harm anyone. And no member of the public was made better nor worse off because of it; so no point in getting het up and yelling about it. If one wants to moan then ire is better directed at the country's overreaction to Covid and the basic errors made, looking back. At least that helps prepare better next pandemic.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "TTT
He told the house that no lockdown rules were broken. They were - that was a lie. He was at the Parties and has eyes. " - opinion.