No More Hotels & Pizzas

[Khandro]

It's off to Rwanda, will it deter them?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/13/channel-migrants-sent-rwanda/

[webbo3]

fiveleaves
//We are talking about human beings the same as us. As someone said on Twitter the Nazis had a plan to deport Europe's Jews to Madagascar. Wicked decision by a wicked government//

So when do we say enough is enough, 1 million, 5 million, 10 million, how do we afford to feed house and look after them, can they live with you, young men only.

[Atheist]

webbo; you choose when enough is enough. The Nazis made their choice; the Russians are making their choice. We will make our choice. What is your choice?

[DTCwordfan]

I hope so.....it's a question of the HO or FO, read MI5 and 6 sorting the wheat from the chaff - the latter out of here.

[Deskdiary]

Douglas at 8.01pm.

Bravo.

[webbo3]

Atheist
\webbo; you choose when enough is enough. The Nazis made their choice; the Russians are making their choice. We will make our choice. What is your choice?//

we have, thats why we will be sending them to Rwanda

[DTCwordfan]

As to the pizzas, they have choice - this place not open in Kigali when I went there, four times for my sins -

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g293829-d12688822-Reviews-Cucina_Restaurant-Kigali_Kigali_Province.html

[Atheist]

webbo; I asked what your choice would be, not what the government's choice has been. If you agree with them, then what number did you decide was the 'red line' where help and support becomes deportation? That's probably an impossible question to answer, but it was posed by you.
Where would you draw the line if your family members were part of the refugee incomers?

[webbo3]

So you are saying they all have family here and should be let in?
If you had between a member of your family being housed or receiving
hospital treatment who would you choose.

[naomi24]

Can we please stop with the handwringing - and the virtue signalling. The people in question come from a safe country - France. They are economic migrants. They are not refugees.

[Atheist]

webbo; you know very well that I am not saying that they all have family here. What I am saying is that they are human beings in difficulty and it is a part of human nature to feel the urge to help. Of course, human nature also has urges to to mistrust strangers and to defend one's tribe. Both urges have evolved in human psyche over many many years. As an individual human I have these and other urges, and I also have a sense of what feels right and wrong (what religious people call a god-given sense of good and evil). It is likely that my red line is drawn in a different place from yours.

[webbo3]

Exactly ^

[Atheist]

Naomi; they come from France because France lies between their country and the UK and they have to pass through France to get here, unless they travel from Syria, or Africa or wherever by sea. If you use that logic, then you are really saying that nobody can come from anywhere further than France as a refugee, because we are further away from the awful places they have fled from than the rest of Europe is. Have you no heart?

[Atheist]

Naomi, if I appear to have a sense of morals I am sorry you seem to find it upsetting. Why do you often call expressions of morality 'virtue signalling'. Do you have no morals, or do you simply hide them under a bushel in case someone calls you a 'virtue signaller'?

[douglas9401]

"...and they have to pass through France to get here."

They do, as a matter of geography. That doesn't give them the right to invade. France, as you've posted often enough is a safe country with nice people. Save the boat money for starting an illegal business en France and within two generations they'll be Euro millionaires Rodney.







Rwanda it is,

[naomi24]

I have a big heart, atheist, but it doesn’t extend to those on the make. These are economic migrants, many of whom come from countries where no conflict exists at all. This country has a perfectly adequate system for allowing refugees to seek refuge here but these people are by-passing that in favour of entering this country illegally.

[naomi24]

21.42. Now there’s irony for you. :o)

[New Judge]

//What I am saying is that they are human beings in difficulty//

They are not in difficulty. They are in France – a safe European country.

The UN Convention on the status of refugees does not give those (allegedly) seeking safety the option of roaming around until they reach the destination of their choice. It deals with people facing peril or persecution. Those in France who travel here by rubber boat are facing neither. If those in the UK wish to be reunited with their friends and relatives currently living in France they could easily go there to join them.

//Have you no heart?//

I have. It’s reserved for those who already live here who are facing the prospect of seeing the public services on which they depend (and for which most of them pay) facing ever increasing decline because the country simply does not have the resources to deal with the sort of influx of heavily dependent people that it is currently experiencing.

[THECORBYLOON]

"They are economic migrants. They are not refugees."

Are economic migrants granted asylum in the UK?

[Khandro]

^^ & also, why do the 'outraged' defenders of the human rights of the illegal immigrants entering England not condemn France - a safe country- for its neglect of those in Calais living in 'jungles' under plastic sheets?

[New Judge]

//Are economic migrants granted asylum in the UK?//

Frequently. Because those seeking asylum often tell lies and the UK asylum system is unfit for purpose.

That aside, this country is having extreme difficulty providing vital services to those already here and until that situation improves no more applications for asylum should be entertained.