Truth Or Smear ?

[Canary42]

The bandwagon rolls on.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/virginia-giuffre-prince-andrews-accuser-120854953.html

[youngmafbog]

Who really cares?

[FatticusInch]

Impossible to say. The other person was possibly compelled to by Epstein?
That’d be my angle if I were defence counsel.
The recent 3 part programme on the BBC showed how all who were used by him were scared and numbed in equal measure.
It’ll maybe get some mileage in the press but again, one might question why she’s making the allegation now?

[jno]

///Despite previously describing him as a "rich, older boyfriend", she now insists she was one of his numerous sexual victims.///

I suppose anyone can change their mind. I think I'll leave the counterclaims to the courts to sort out.

[Ellipsis]

> Despite previously describing him as a "rich, older boyfriend", she now insists she was one of his numerous sexual victims.

Giuffre could claim that she was the abused one, being forced to play sex games with somebody who has previously claimed to be Epstein's girlfriend.

The way all these claims work is that consistent evidence/testimony is put forward by numerous people who are unrelated to each other. One person complaining about Giuffre has no chance. Multiple people ... maybe.

What a coincidence that the complaint is made only after Giuffre has come into a considerable sum of money courtesy of Prince Andrew ...

[Peter Pedant]

doesnt really affect the Randy One's settlement

One of Michael Jackson's victim's was really unlucky - the unfortunate little fellow was assaulted by no less than three rich men ( serially ) - millions as a result

[naomi24]

I take this with a pinch of salt just as I took Giuffre’s allegations with a pinch of salt. People who object to being sexually assaulted get away as fast as they can - and they don’t go back. Money grabbers all.

[douglas9401]

Could be worse, they might be branded 'fools'.

[naomi24]

Not by me, Douglas. They know exactly what they’re doing.

[FatticusInch]

naomi24
//People who object to being sexually assaulted get away as fast as they can - and they don’t go back. Money grabbers all.//

That’s enough internet for today.

[naomi24]

Off you go then, fatticusinch. Have a good evening.

[FatticusInch]

Watch the programme and listen to the evidence before passing judgement.

[Spicerack]

Sound advice, Mr Fatticus.
Preferably BBC or Sky programmes. (but any programme will do in a pinch)

[Gromit]

The Epstein/Maxwell world was obviously very seedy and unpleasant.
But I must object to
// People who object to being sexually assaulted get away as fast as they can - and they don’t go back. Money grabbers all. //
Classic victim blaming and deeply wrong.

[FatticusInch]

Must admit I’m always perplexed and deeply puzzled at the mindset, demeanour and attitude of females who question the recounting of experiences of sexual assault by other females but especially those who show no empathy whatsoever and pour scorn on their kind.

Must be a male thing?

[1ozzy]

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

[naomi24]

Gromit, //Classic victim blaming and deeply wrong.//

A trendy expression which only works if the alleged 'victims are actually' 'victims'.

//I must object//

Object away, but whilst you're at it perhaps you'll tell us your experiences, as a woman, of being sexually abused. With the possibility of a repeat performance, did you voluntarily return again and again to the company of the abuser?

FatticusInch, I too am always perplexed and deeply puzzled - but by the mindset that expects women to support women regardless of right or wrong. Perhaps what you’re experiencing is, indeed, a male thing.

Both these women knowingly inhabited a world of wealth, excess, indulgence and depravity. Had Guiffre carried out her pledge to have her day in court, saying she was not in it for the money, I’d have been more likely to take her claims seriously - but she didn't. The dollars took precedence. The woman now accusing her was in her early 20s at the time, so not a child, and such was her claimed mortification and discomfort that she continued to return to the scene of the 'crime'. More dollar signs in prospect I suspect.

1ozzy. //"There are none so blind as those who will not see"//

Indeed.