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Rwanda Bound Plane Will Not Fly
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A bit like Johnson’s plans to break the Brexit ‘oven-ready’ deal that he signed.
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This is a government in crisis.
Ducking out of international deals, changing codes to avoid government ministers being questioned or scrutinised and now mooting leaving the ECHR.
From Sky News.
PM says changes to the law may be necessary to prevent Rwanda deportations being challenged in court
Boris Johnson has said the government may make changes to the law in response to the court challenges that have stymied attempts to deport migrants to Rwanda.
Asked whether he would consider pulling the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights, the prime minister said:
"It is certainly the case that the legal fraternity, or sorority or whatever, the legal world is very good at picking up ways of trying to stop the government from upholding what we think is a sensible law.
Isn’t that a bit rich from someone who couldn’t uphold other laws he himself made?
The Johnson administration feels that they can ride rough-shod through international laws and agreements and appears to making things up ad-hoc as it blunders from one crisis to another, most of their own making.
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This is a government in crisis.
Ducking out of international deals, changing codes to avoid government ministers being questioned or scrutinised and now mooting leaving the ECHR.
From Sky News.
PM says changes to the law may be necessary to prevent Rwanda deportations being challenged in court
Boris Johnson has said the government may make changes to the law in response to the court challenges that have stymied attempts to deport migrants to Rwanda.
Asked whether he would consider pulling the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights, the prime minister said:
"It is certainly the case that the legal fraternity, or sorority or whatever, the legal world is very good at picking up ways of trying to stop the government from upholding what we think is a sensible law.
Isn’t that a bit rich from someone who couldn’t uphold other laws he himself made?
The Johnson administration feels that they can ride rough-shod through international laws and agreements and appears to making things up ad-hoc as it blunders from one crisis to another, most of their own making.
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//I hope the laws are changed. Another 300 economic migrants arrived by boat from France today. The government is fighting with one hand tied behind its back.//
No doubt they will be. After all, Johnson is changing everything else possible to suit himself and save his skin.
But he’s forgetting that he doesn’t have the right, authority, nor will he have the backing in parliament when 148 of his own MP’s start exerting their displeasure.
//I hope the laws are changed. Another 300 economic migrants arrived by boat from France today. The government is fighting with one hand tied behind its back.//
No doubt they will be. After all, Johnson is changing everything else possible to suit himself and save his skin.
But he’s forgetting that he doesn’t have the right, authority, nor will he have the backing in parliament when 148 of his own MP’s start exerting their displeasure.
Boris Johnson has been critical of those defending attempts to stop the deportations. He said this morning that lawyers representing migrants were, “abetting the work of criminal gangs”
I noticed that at the Supreme Court to-day, the judgement refusing an application to stop the removal of one of the asylum-seekers included the following.
"The appellant is one of a number of claimants who applied to the High Court on 8th June for permission to bring an application for judicial review of the Home Secretary’s decision that certain persons, including themselves, who have made claims for asylum in the United Kingdom should be removed to Rwanda so that their claims for asylum can be determined by the Rwandan authorities.
In bringing that application, the appellant’s lawyers were performing their proper function of ensuring that their clients are not subjected to unlawful treatment at the hands of the Government."
Perhaps Boris needs to have a read of that before criticizing lawyers again for doing their job.
I noticed that at the Supreme Court to-day, the judgement refusing an application to stop the removal of one of the asylum-seekers included the following.
"The appellant is one of a number of claimants who applied to the High Court on 8th June for permission to bring an application for judicial review of the Home Secretary’s decision that certain persons, including themselves, who have made claims for asylum in the United Kingdom should be removed to Rwanda so that their claims for asylum can be determined by the Rwandan authorities.
In bringing that application, the appellant’s lawyers were performing their proper function of ensuring that their clients are not subjected to unlawful treatment at the hands of the Government."
Perhaps Boris needs to have a read of that before criticizing lawyers again for doing their job.
Why did the government not legislate to prevent intervention from the ECHR before starting this exercise? Now after the event the Government has come out fighting against the lawyers that it has accused of abetting the work of the criminal gangs. Last night saw a dramatic intervention by the European Court of Human Rights, hours before the planned departure of a flight to Rwanda.
It is all very well blaming the lawyers, but if there are legal impediments to the proper operation of ministers’ desired approach, including the role of overseas courts, the Government has it within its power to address them.. Perhaps it ought to do so, to stop its flagship migration policy becoming a fiasco.
It is all very well blaming the lawyers, but if there are legal impediments to the proper operation of ministers’ desired approach, including the role of overseas courts, the Government has it within its power to address them.. Perhaps it ought to do so, to stop its flagship migration policy becoming a fiasco.
Who are the lawyers representing these Asylum seekers? The ones that brought the ECHR into the frame, who are these leeches given our own people can’t get any form of legal aid , rape cases are waiting months if not longer to be heard here for British subjects yet lawyers for these economic migrants are magicked up practically overnight
"Ich, why appalling? Bad laws that are detrimental to the country should be changed."
Because chopping and changing laws to get around legal objections just sounds like you are in a leaky boat with elasoplast, but ptobably more leak than plaster.
I have no opinion as to whether this is ethical or not, but it was always going to be a legal minefield, apart from the issue of whether it would actually work. I think it is plain that it simply isn't going to work, for whatever reason, and is therefore just as frankly daft as many of the other solutions. Whatever you think of the legal objections, they are there and almost certainly will continue to be.
The flight was cancelled in the end wasn't it because there were no more people left for it to carry ...
Because chopping and changing laws to get around legal objections just sounds like you are in a leaky boat with elasoplast, but ptobably more leak than plaster.
I have no opinion as to whether this is ethical or not, but it was always going to be a legal minefield, apart from the issue of whether it would actually work. I think it is plain that it simply isn't going to work, for whatever reason, and is therefore just as frankly daft as many of the other solutions. Whatever you think of the legal objections, they are there and almost certainly will continue to be.
The flight was cancelled in the end wasn't it because there were no more people left for it to carry ...
Just who is paying for all of these appeals, lawyers etc, it is costing someone a packet and my guess is that its me and the rest of the British public!
Just what do these 'doo gooders' want, we might as well just let everyone in, do they not understand that we just can't keep taking these people in, the system just cannot sustain it, health service, housing, roads, schools just cannot take anymore.
Just what do these 'doo gooders' want, we might as well just let everyone in, do they not understand that we just can't keep taking these people in, the system just cannot sustain it, health service, housing, roads, schools just cannot take anymore.
//The flight was cancelled in the end wasn't it because there were no more people left for it to carry ... //
If anything is appalling, acceptance of that travesty most certainly is. None of these people are genuine asylum seekers - not one. None of them were fleeing war or persecution in France but our forced acceptance of them unto this country serves not only to put already struggling services under even more pressure, it actively encourages - and enables - the people traffickers to continue their vile trade. Shameful.
If anything is appalling, acceptance of that travesty most certainly is. None of these people are genuine asylum seekers - not one. None of them were fleeing war or persecution in France but our forced acceptance of them unto this country serves not only to put already struggling services under even more pressure, it actively encourages - and enables - the people traffickers to continue their vile trade. Shameful.
//Rwanda Bound Plane Will Not Fly//
Of course it will. Just won't have any asylum seekers on board. (and won't necessarily head to Rwanda)
Wouldn't surprise me to find out this came as no surprise to this 'Tory' Government.
Had 1 million legal non-European immigrants last year according to some reports. New Labour could only dream about such numbers and they wanted to rub our noses in it.
Of course it will. Just won't have any asylum seekers on board. (and won't necessarily head to Rwanda)
Wouldn't surprise me to find out this came as no surprise to this 'Tory' Government.
Had 1 million legal non-European immigrants last year according to some reports. New Labour could only dream about such numbers and they wanted to rub our noses in it.
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