Those Sunlit Uplands Revisited

[Canary42]

https://ibb.co/bWtPMmc

[JDavis]

NJ,

Where do you get this information on the lazy workforce eating hobnobs or plotting ways to strike. And how do you know most people can't work from home so effectively?

[JDavis]

I'd gave thought Gulliver was one of the more sensible posters on here. And he doesn't descend into belittling other posters, I think.

[naomi24]

I don’t doubt you’d have thought that, JDavis.

[gulliver1]

June 23rd 2016 . The managing director of an office supply co in the UK voted for Brexit .He thought here we go , here we go, we are going to become the most competitive Country in Europe. Now he is thinking what have I done. His firm has just about survived.He had no option but to set up a depot inside the E/U single market, in the Netherlands, to avoid costly delays and mountains of Brexit related paperwork and VAT issues when sending goods to customers on the Continent, his goods are now being distributed from his Dutch depot and the tax that should have gone to the UK Chancellor goes to the Dutch Govt instead and jobs have been created in Holland and not UK .This is known as Brexiteers shooting themselves in the foot.

[naomi24]

Goodo! More for your lovely EU, Gulliver. I can’t think why you’re complaining.

[Untitled]

Working from home is working… and some studies suggest it is actually more productive…

[naomi24]

And other studies suggest it isn’t ….

Personally I’d go with other studies.

[gulliver1]

It is not fair on these small suppliers /manufactures. The market for their goods is there in the E/U .They have loads of customers , but new trade obstacles and hidden costs to customers and demands for vat on delivery since Brexit has killed their trade.

[FatticusInch]

New Judge
//Plus everyone else went through the pandemic so why is ours the lowest growth forecast amongst the G7?//

/I told you in another thread: it’s because huge numbers of people are sitting at home munching Hobnobs, worrying about their wellbeing instead of worrying about getting their employer’s productivity up./

Ah, so it’s the lazy, feckless British workers who are at fault?
If only all the Eastern Europeans hadn’t gone home as a result of Brexit eh?

Still waiting for someone to point out an immediate benefit of Brexit thus far or address the points made in the YouTube clip?
Oh I forgot, you don’t watch those do you?

[FatticusInch]

naomi24
//And other studies suggest it isn’t ….

Personally I’d go with other studies.//

I guess it depends on the type of employment you’re in.

Feel free to post links to your theory.

https://www.ft.com/content/81d6bc21-b010-4861-912c-db5ffa999c50

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/85-of-uk-disabled-workers-are-more-productive-working-from-home/139739/

[JDavis]

So you have no evidence working from home is less effective, naomi?

[Togo]

//Still waiting for someone to point out an immediate benefit of Brexit//

You must be a little more patient then. Some of us waited 40 odd years for someone to point out the benefit of financing the ponzi scheeme called Eeeyoo. Still waiting. All we get is the "always keep a hold of nurse for fear of something worse" crybabies day in day out. Bless.

[naomi24]

You’ll find anything if you look, jdavis. Just pick the one that suits you. That’s what your mates do. :o)

[mushroom25]

I can work from home - but only because shortly before lockdown, the company moved from PCs to laptops connected to a "one-drive" system via VPN servers. many smaller companies won't have that, their staff cannot work from home. most of our staff are artisans - engineers and operational staff. they cannot work from home (controlling driverless vehicles using games consoles is still only a concept). my company was one of a very few in the industry that didn't furlough anyone; some of our competitors (including some large familiar-name companies) and smaller industry colleagues had no choice, as the work dropped off and there was nothing for them to do, even if they could work from home (which largely, they couldn't).

[JDavis]

Well, naomi, if it's good enough for you . . .

[Togo]

Funny old Whirled. Remember when the arbiters of what was socially desirable extolled the virtues of free mixing and the sharing of diverse attitudes and aims. Where one big melting pot was the true future for civilisations. Now they want us all to stay at home and pretend to be busy, only interacting and sharing our ideas on line. Keith Waterhouse did all that decades ago with British Albion Ltd. Busy doing nothing.

[New Judge]

//Working from home is working… and some studies suggest it is actually more productive…//

Well just about every organisation that I and anybody I know contacts, which has its staff working from home, suffers delays and inefficiencies attending to their customers' needs. I don't know of any organisation that I have dealt with which appears to be more efficient since WFH took hold.

As an example, the Land Registry used to turn round changes in property registration in 14 to 21 days. Now there are widespread reports of delays of around six months with some people waiting for a year. Some people, who needed to buy and sell quite quickly have been unable to do so. The Land Registry, for its part, lays the blame on an upturn in the property market but insists its staff are working just as efficiently at home as they were when in the office. Well they would, wouldn't they. I don't know why a cosseted section of the workforce (i.e. those who work in offices) believe they should have this privilege which no other sector of the workforce can enjoy.

However, we digress, because this has nothing to do with the OP either.

[Untitled]

you brought it up new judge... it was your explanation for this country's falling productivity whereas there is quite good evidence that work from home either has no impact on productivity or actually increases it...

i'm sorry but whether or not you personally can get the land registry on the phone is irrelevant. productivity is something that can be measured and when people do try to measure it they come up with a more complex result than you suggest.

[New Judge]

The Land Registry's appalling performance is not my explanation for the country's falling productivity. It's an anecdotal example of one of the many reasons.

One of the principle reasons is that the percentage of the workforce actually working is quite low - especially among 16-25 year olds. This would be understandable if there were no job vacancies but quite the opposite is true. And many of the vacancies are often in low-skilled or unskilled work areas. I'm not presenting a single cause of low productivity but rather providing examples of why it may be evident. This country will not thrive whilst literally millions of people who are able to work are not doing so when work is available.

[Zacs-Master]

Judging by the rush hour, not many people work past 3pm either!