Energy Bills Rise Again

[10ClarionSt]

I just feel that the increases are merely to help these companies to maintain their insulting, obscene profits and not to help with increased costs. I can't understand, don't understand, where Ofgem are. I can only assume that the people at Ofgem are shareholders in the energy companies. The govt is also condoning these prices rises. Saying that they will help people with their bills, is an endorsement of the rises. The govt should be preventing them, not offering a sop, because that's all it is. My only source of income is a state pension and a small private pension. That's it. If energy costs reach predicted levels, then half of my income will be going on energy bills. But it's ok folks because the energy companies, Ofgem and the govt know that old farts like me and thee won't be around much longer so why should they give a fig about us? But hey, if you think the rises are ok, then enjoy the fruits of your shares in the energy companies. And if you DO think the rises are ok, then you cannot be affected by them, or you can easily afford them. Got pots of money. Other than that, everything's fine thanks. :o)

[barry1010]

As an example my energy provider is OVO. In the email they sent today:
"OVO Energy is an energy supplier, not a generator
We don’t generate electricity or produce natural gas. This means, unlike the generators, we aren’t benefitting from the increase in energy prices."

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // I don't agree with your assessment of TGL's philosophy, she simply encouraged work hard support yourself and better yourself where possible. //

I didn't imagine for one moment that you would agree.

I think the notion that she 'encouraged work hard and better yourself ...' is over-simplification.

What Thatcher did was appeal to those who had the wherewithal and financial means to buy into her privatisations, at the cost of a vast swathe of the population who could not do so.

She worked on the false assumption that everyone has an entrepreneurial attitude, and wants to get more and more money, because that is how she thought, but being married to a millionaire can do that to your perception, narrow as it clearly was.

There are millions of people who don;t want a 'stake' in everything, and simply want to go along, and they are the ones paying the price for her attitudes, including the absence of social housing which Thatcher sold off as a short-term vote winner.

Assuming everyone thinks like you, especially if you are a hard-faced humourless avaricious power-hungry politician, is the reason why the nation continues to suffer from the fall-out of her selfish attitudes.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "What Thatcher did was appeal to those who had the wherewithal and financial means to buy into her privatisations, at the cost of a vast swathe of the population who could not do so." - No she appealed to poor people like me who grew up on a council estate with parents in and out of jail, barely a days work between them I had nothing I didn't earn myself from the age of 12. I passed all my exams and went to University when my family thought I should have been happy with my job in the Butchers shop. She alone saved this country from Union/marxist dogma. She taught us what we could do with some hard work regardless of where you start. You still can.

"She worked on the false assumption that everyone has an entrepreneurial attitude, and wants to get more and more money, because that is how she thought, but being married to a millionaire can do that to your perception, narrow as it clearly was. " - You are closer with this one but remember she was from a humble background, a grocer's daughter. Yes perhaps she did assume her level of drive and endeavour in everyone and I am also sometimes guilty of that. I don't think her wealthy husband changed her attitude at all. There are countless stories of her frugality in no 10 for example.

The left love to demonise TGL but she was in essence their creation. They created the conditions where their cancer needed to be cut out. Yes the medicine was harsh but the patient surely needed it.

[jno]

interesting to see Norges Bank Investment Management in Gromit's list. They're the folk who manage Norway's North Sea oil and gas reserves, with the aim of financing the welfare state. A shame Britain didn't do something similar with their North Sea income

[ToraToraTora]

jno it works when you have a tiny population.

[pimplyteen]

Well one thing for sure its going to teach many not to waste energy and food.

[jno]

the tiny population manages to support the world's biggest sovereign wealth fund. That's real sovereignty for you: they never even needed to join the EU.

[ToraToraTora]

It's 5m people, we have more WSS than their entire population to pay for. Norway looks wonderful yes but it doesn't scale.

[Bobbisox1]

I posted on the Flip flop thread by mistake so I’ll ask again

Where are the Frackers now? Very quiet it seems

[Ken4155]

Frackers?

[Bobbisox1]

Oh dear sorry and all that Kenneth, should have put Anti Frackers :0/

[jno]

perhaps if Tories keep rejecting plans to build solar farms, they'll allow fracking on their land instead?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/25/solar-farm-plans-refused-highest-rate-five-years-great-britain

[Bobbisox1]

Jon if there’s energy there, then yes they should,we need to be self sufficient now and stop the reliance on Russia

[Ken4155]

You can call me Ken on weekdays, Bobs. I think we've known each other long enough.

[Bobbisox1]

*jno*

[Bobbisox1]

What about Kenny coz it’s near the weekend?

[Sqad]

bobbi......most of our energy comes from Norway, not sure of the exact percentage but only about 15% comes from Russia.

[Ken4155]

I suppose we'd all be happy to see fracking re-started - unless it is in our own back yards. Imagine the disruption to your little village, Bobbi, were fracking to take place on it's outskirts.

[Bobbisox1]

We’re living in troubled times Ken and if fracking had to occur here I wouldn’t protest against it, we can’t go on depending on other countries for our energy supplies

[Gromit]

Only a small amount of UK energy comes from Russia, and that is only for a few weeks during peak demand in the winter when the days are short and cold.