The Tories

[Paigntonian]

I suspect there is a majority ant-Tory view among ABers and that's fine. But, as life-long Tory, I just despair that Sunak and Truss are so uninspiring and, frankly, mediocre.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//I know, bring back Boris.//

Changed your tune a bit since you were telling us all how you’d just had your papers and had gleefully voted for 5C Remainer anti-monarchy and British worker-denigrating scum?
What a pair of traitorous scum!
For someone who keeps harking back to 1974 your short-term memory is shocking! PMSL
(You won’t respond to this but I’ll bet Youngmafbog, Paigntonian or Zacs-Master do, maybe even Davebro?)
Keep up the good work, Flip-Flopper.

[wolf63]

I have no strong allegiance to any political party.

I agree that the two PM hopefuls are insipid and seem to have no personality.

Vote for Larry - the best candidate for the job.
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[fiveleaves]

I have never voted Tory in my life. Never understood what the appeal of unfettered Capitalism is.

[tiggerblue10]

I'm with Wolf on this........and support the vote for Larry!

[naomi24]

Fiveleaves, The appeal of unfettered capitalism is that it’s not unfettered socialism. I’ll make an educated guess and say you would like that even less.

[fiveleaves]

Naomi, Why does it have to be Capitalism vs Socialism? Are we unable to imagine a better economic system

[naomi24]

Better how? What would you like to see?

[fiveleaves]

A more eglalitarian system and an understanding that the earth has finite resources that can't be exploited forever. Capitalism as commonly understood wont survive the next 5 years regardless of what Sunak or Truss may wish.

[naomi24]

Five years? Don’t hold your breath. Capitalism will survive because people are human. They aspire to better lives - which is why socialism/communism has proven to be disastrous.

[ichkeria]

"ich: "There’s an anti Tory majority everywhere you know. " - except for General elections! "

Most people are not tories - is what I meant

[naomi24]

Most people don’t think they’re Tories - but the lifestyle they pursue says otherwise. I pointed that out to a staunch Labour friend of mine. She was gobsmacked. She’d never thought about it.

[FatticusInch]

Lol, the mere thought that you gave Labour friends is stretching it a bit!?
They’d tear you to shreds over your Boris fawning!
Surely they’ve pointed out to you he’s a serial liar and narcissist?
Or maybe you don’t tell them how ardent your admiration is? It’s certainly nothing to brag about.

[ToraToraTora]

fireleaves: "Capitalism as commonly understood wont survive the next 5 years regardless of what Sunak or Truss may wish" -Perlease, as naomi says capitalism is the personification of human nature. Socialism has a romantic cover but cannot possibly work, because of human nature. QED!

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "Most people don’t think they’re Tories - but the lifestyle they pursue says otherwise." - to quote the famous Del Boy, "...yer spoon fed lefty would make Ghengis Khan look like a pacifist in a fight over a torn fiver"!

[naomi24]

Haaaa! Exactly, TTT. :o)

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//naomi: "Most people don’t think they’re Tories - but the lifestyle they pursue says otherwise." - to quote the famous Del Boy, "...yer spoon fed lefty would make Ghengis Khan look like a pacifist in a fight over a torn fiver"!//

Did Del Boy actually say that in any episode?
Genuine question as it doesn’t appear in a web search?
Or are you telling porkies like a grassy banker, me old china?

[Atheist]

Human nature includes co-operative behaviour and greedy/aggressive behaviour.
Your view on what human nature is or should be is probably based on what sort of human you are.

[Atheist]

Quoting the fictitious Del Boy as a real-life role model is rather puerile. He was invented by a fiction writer who was intelligent and knew how to portray likeable but inherently daft or bad characters very well. A bit like Flashman or 'Til Death Do Us Part, or perhaps Malcolm Tucker.

[JDavis]

Can't find that quote either, Atheist, but I don't think Del Boy was really daft or bad. He had a great sense of loyalty to family, once taking a beating from gangsters rather than give them money he'd promised to Rodney as a deposit on a flat. And he had a sort of street cunning, often, though not always, coming out on top (which Basil Fawlty never did, incidentally).

Agree about people's assessment of human nature depending on what kind of person they are themselves. I remember in the early days some Tory MPs saying food banks wouldn't work. 'Won't just be poor people going, will it? After all if you're getting something for nothing . . . '

Probably a few on here who'd have thought the same thing.

[Atheist]

Jdavis; Delboy and Flashman were likeable characters, but not what I'd want to be our PM.