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Surely Even The More Ardent Brexiteer Understood That This Would Happen?
When you're outside a trading bloc that you used to be inside, you're gonna have to pay tariffs for produce, goods and services.
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Hymie: //In one of TTT’s recent posts on this site in relation to the Brexit vote he said //that no one could tell us why we should remain//
Most of the things the remain camp claimed would happen if the UK was to leave the EU, have indeed happened // - rubbish just the remoaners 5C interpretation and the standard blaming of everything on Brexit. .... and still no one has told us the benefits of remaining.
Most of the things the remain camp claimed would happen if the UK was to leave the EU, have indeed happened // - rubbish just the remoaners 5C interpretation and the standard blaming of everything on Brexit. .... and still no one has told us the benefits of remaining.
Not if you have a responsible trade agreement you don't. But anyway, if we had gone under WTO it would certainly mean tariffs,in both directions, until EU gained some common sense. But unfortunately the EU doesn't, and only wanted to cause issues to those with the audacity to get out from their control, even if it meant cutting off it's own nose to spite it's face.
O_G
It’s 100% wrong to say that the EU only wanted to cause issues “to those with the audacity to get out from their control”.
If you are part of a trading bloc, trade between member states is easy and tariff-free.
If you’re not a member, you will face tariffs, red tape and delays.
This is how it works. We’ve returned to exactly where we were prior to entry to the EU in 1973.
Brexiteers need to acknowledge this is their fault and no-one else’s.
It’s 100% wrong to say that the EU only wanted to cause issues “to those with the audacity to get out from their control”.
If you are part of a trading bloc, trade between member states is easy and tariff-free.
If you’re not a member, you will face tariffs, red tape and delays.
This is how it works. We’ve returned to exactly where we were prior to entry to the EU in 1973.
Brexiteers need to acknowledge this is their fault and no-one else’s.
Crapatcryptics
We have.
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We have.
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TTT
In four years - please name them.
The New Zealand is worth 0.2% of GDP (big whoop).
You can’t really count rollover deals - these aren’t new…they’re just copying the terms of deals the UK already had when it was an EU member, rather than creating new benefits.
I can only see the deal with Australia (not yet in force) and perhaps one with Japan, although I can’t find details of that one.
Which ones were you thinking of?
How many exciting trade deals has the UK entered into in the four years since we were able to set our own course?
In four years - please name them.
The New Zealand is worth 0.2% of GDP (big whoop).
You can’t really count rollover deals - these aren’t new…they’re just copying the terms of deals the UK already had when it was an EU member, rather than creating new benefits.
I can only see the deal with Australia (not yet in force) and perhaps one with Japan, although I can’t find details of that one.
Which ones were you thinking of?
How many exciting trade deals has the UK entered into in the four years since we were able to set our own course?
Will you be attending this or just whinging on here?
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No...I didn't think so yawwwwwnnnn!
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No...I didn't think so yawwwwwnnnn!
You do your own research me old china, deals have been done. Probably the pandemic has delayed more. You seriously still want us to be governed by unelected foreigners? Tell me why that us good make the case for remain. I always wanted to see some sort of reason to stay in the EUSSR, all I saw was meddling unelected foreigners shafting us with the collaboration of our own 5CP. Did you have no case then? Same as you have none now? All you have is negative tripe.
Here's the list but you'll no doubt poo poo it because you want us to fail.
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a tad more than the: "There’s the bilateral agreement with Australia, but one deal in four years? "
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a tad more than the: "There’s the bilateral agreement with Australia, but one deal in four years? "
If the UK was a company (UK Plc) and those in charge of the company paid such scant regard to the business ‘challenges’ Brexit presented to the company – even making such false statements that it (Brexit) was an excellent opportunity for the business; by now those in charge would have been replaced by persons who understand the damage being done to UK Plc by Brexit, with a remit to turn the company around.
Unfortunately the UK is not a Plc, and so our leaders are stuck with this Brexit albatross hung around their necks.
Unfortunately the UK is not a Plc, and so our leaders are stuck with this Brexit albatross hung around their necks.
//If you are part of a trading bloc, trade between member states is easy and tariff-free.//
Indeed. But the EU is not simply a trading bloc. It is a political construction, with a Parliament (such that it is) and legislation which claims supremacy over its members’ laws and which is adjudicated by a foreign court. It claims to have a foreign policy which often may not concur with that of its members and it has established embassies across the world. If acquiescence to all this is the price of “easy and tariff free” trade, it Is too high a price.
//They’ve been replaced by the I Told You So, You Mugs camp.//
A camp with no real basis, then. Very little voiced by Project Fear (leaving aside things which it was obvious would occur) have happened. I could compile a list of predicted catastrophes and the outcomes, but I really can’t be bothered. As well as that, there would be considerable difficulty disentangling the causes of many events, especially with Covid and the war in Ukraine. But of course it would suit the new camp to say they told us so.
I object to being labelled a Mug. I knew exactly what I was voting for when I voted to leave. I voted for the UK to quit the EU. I expected that to be done properly; none of this remaining in the Customs Union and/or Single Market nonsense. I wanted the UK to leave that pernicious organisation lock, stock and barrel. Nobody persuaded me which way to cast my vote during the campaign. I made my mind up in 1992 and remained resolute since then. Any lies, exaggerations or half-truths (which were plentiful on both sides because that’s what politicians excel at) had no impact on me whatsoever. If they had an influence on others that is their fault. They should learn not to believe what politicians tell them then they will never be disappointed.
Brexit was not achieved as “properly” as I would have liked but considering the disgusting behaviour of many politicians between 2016 and 2020, it was surprising it was achieved at all. What we have is about as good as can be expected and hopefully the new Prime Minister and her government will address the remaining shortcomings in due course. Whatever follows from now is merely “noise”. If new trade deals are agreed, all well and good; if they are not, it’s unimportant. The important thing is that we have left and individuals and businesses, both here and in the EU, will have to get used to the new order.
Indeed. But the EU is not simply a trading bloc. It is a political construction, with a Parliament (such that it is) and legislation which claims supremacy over its members’ laws and which is adjudicated by a foreign court. It claims to have a foreign policy which often may not concur with that of its members and it has established embassies across the world. If acquiescence to all this is the price of “easy and tariff free” trade, it Is too high a price.
//They’ve been replaced by the I Told You So, You Mugs camp.//
A camp with no real basis, then. Very little voiced by Project Fear (leaving aside things which it was obvious would occur) have happened. I could compile a list of predicted catastrophes and the outcomes, but I really can’t be bothered. As well as that, there would be considerable difficulty disentangling the causes of many events, especially with Covid and the war in Ukraine. But of course it would suit the new camp to say they told us so.
I object to being labelled a Mug. I knew exactly what I was voting for when I voted to leave. I voted for the UK to quit the EU. I expected that to be done properly; none of this remaining in the Customs Union and/or Single Market nonsense. I wanted the UK to leave that pernicious organisation lock, stock and barrel. Nobody persuaded me which way to cast my vote during the campaign. I made my mind up in 1992 and remained resolute since then. Any lies, exaggerations or half-truths (which were plentiful on both sides because that’s what politicians excel at) had no impact on me whatsoever. If they had an influence on others that is their fault. They should learn not to believe what politicians tell them then they will never be disappointed.
Brexit was not achieved as “properly” as I would have liked but considering the disgusting behaviour of many politicians between 2016 and 2020, it was surprising it was achieved at all. What we have is about as good as can be expected and hopefully the new Prime Minister and her government will address the remaining shortcomings in due course. Whatever follows from now is merely “noise”. If new trade deals are agreed, all well and good; if they are not, it’s unimportant. The important thing is that we have left and individuals and businesses, both here and in the EU, will have to get used to the new order.
NJ
You wrote:
“The tragedy is that the country has not made the most of the opportunities presented by Brexit”
Which opportunities?
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But many of the ‘achievements’ are still in the policy development stage or have yet to start, with reform of financial service regulation and the review of retained EU law still underway. And for ‘achievements’ expressed as outcomes rather than specific actions – such as 'defending UK economic interests' – it is difficult to say these have been fully delivered.
You wrote:
“The tragedy is that the country has not made the most of the opportunities presented by Brexit”
Which opportunities?
From:
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But many of the ‘achievements’ are still in the policy development stage or have yet to start, with reform of financial service regulation and the review of retained EU law still underway. And for ‘achievements’ expressed as outcomes rather than specific actions – such as 'defending UK economic interests' – it is difficult to say these have been fully delivered.
Sorry, sp, but that's the way it is. Trade will happen, with or without politicians, with or without the EU. Businesses make trade; all that politicians do is interfere with it to make it more difficult. Any imposition of tariffs or customs requirements form part of that interference.
As I explained, the EU is not a trading bloc. It requires its members to submit to all its requirements and many of them have nothing whatsoever to do with trade. It's simply too high a price to pay to enable beetroot to be freely traded across borders.
As I explained, the EU is not a trading bloc. It requires its members to submit to all its requirements and many of them have nothing whatsoever to do with trade. It's simply too high a price to pay to enable beetroot to be freely traded across borders.
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