Rodders Is Going To Do A St Tony......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63037696
..the penny has finally dropped. Sir Beer realised he must become Tory Lite to win. Now how is he going to clear out all the reds under the bed? He may just have a chance but they'll have to wrest Scotland from the Bravehearters and amputate the loony left and anti semites but credit where it's due, he's seen the way.

[FatticusInch]

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12706277

[ichkeria]

There should be no place of any importance in Labour for anyone who opposes Nato.
Which after all was founded under a Labour govt

[anneasquith]

Ed, did you quite recently say no other name will be tolerated except their own name especially re politiciansIf you did, ttt it would appear either can’t read or is above Site Rules ..

[naomi24]

Love the way they're suddenly feigning patriotism. Any port in a storm. :o)

[Paigntonian]

I think Starmer's plan for a state-owned Great British Energy company is a vote-winner.

[teacher1]

Has Keir woken up yet ....... his dream of miracles in his first year of government sounds great !

[FatticusInch]

Anybody know when the Tory one is?
That’ll be comedy gold, watching them explain away and give a summary of the catastraf**k of the last 3 years, not to mention the forthcoming 12 months?

I might even watch it live! Lol.

[Paigntonian]

Now Starmer says he wants a points-based immigration system. Can't think where he got that one from.

[FatticusInch]

Paigntonian
//Now Starmer says he wants a points-based immigration system. Can't think where he got that one from.//

Perhaps he meant for the bankers with their unlimited bonuses that will be flocking here from Europe?
I’m guessing we’ve got to import them because obviously there aren’t enough decent ones in the UK?

[teacher1]

Angela Rayner ....... unable to explain where investment is coming from for all Keir's "new" ideas !

[FatticusInch]

naomi24
//Love the way they're suddenly feigning patriotism. Any port in a storm. :o)//

Yeah, almost as bad as lying to the Queen……or slagging off British workers.

[ToraToraTora]

paigtonian; "I think Starmer's plan for a state-owned Great British Energy company is a vote-winner. " - only if people have forgotten the disaster that nationalised industries were in 70s etc.

[FatticusInch]

Someone else harking back to the 70’s.

It’s almost as if there’s a familiar pattern forming, isn’t it?

[New Judge]

//Someone else harking back to the 70’s.//

The reason humans have been infinitely more successful than any other species is down to one thing – the ability of the present generation to record its experiences and leave them for their descendants to learn from and build on. Other species are largely limited to learning what can be passed on from parent to offspring at the time of their upbringing.

Governments do not do particularly well at running commercial businesses. They don’t do very well at running public services either, but sometimes there is no practical choice. What Tora refers to, from the 70s which you suggest he is harking back to, is a period where successive governments used to run what are now commercial enterprises. Whilst some of these enterprises are not as good as they might be, there is no doubt that the consumer is now in a far better place overall when he wants their products and services than he was fifty years ago when they were State controlled. That’s why we must live and learn because doing the same things when experience shows that they are manifestly without merit is somewhat silly.

//Labour is back in the centre ground of British politics..//

Depends largely where you place your “centre”.

[Spungle]

Labour seem to forget that Sir Tony Blair was Labour's most successful PM ever, being elected not once but three times on the trot. And yes, that third term was despite invading Iraq. Might take more than a half-hearted rendition of God Save our Gracious King before country rushes down the Labour plughole again though.

[FatticusInch]

New Judge,
//What Tora refers to, from the 70s which you suggest he is harking back to//

Ah, your elongated answer has fallen on barren ground I fear.
Others may get the reference.

[FatticusInch]

Spungle,
//Might take more than a half-hearted rendition of God Save our Gracious King before country rushes down the Labour plughole again though.//

I’d reason it might not, though you’re trying very hard today, fair play.

[Untitled]

tories at the time did not consider tony blair to be “tory lite”… i know it is a popular opinion to say so but the blair government did many things (good and bad) that the tories would never have dreamed of…

keir starmer is a very inconsistent leader and he makes me uneasy… the way he is running the party is pretty much the opposite of what he said he would do when he membership elected him… that being said even though i don’t like him i do still think he has better judgement and more ability than anyone in the three most recent tory leaderships

[Untitled]

i also don’t agree with new judge that history shows that governments cannot run things… it certainly shows that the state owned enterprises of this country in the 1970s were not very good but you don’t need to look very far to find ones that are effective

[naomi24]

I think that’s why people voted for Blair three times - because although they didn’t realise it then, he was Tory light. Old Labour has been old hat for years.