Given That Not All S N P Voters Are In Favour Of "Independence"........

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63209674
....would over 50% of the vote in a GE constitute the equivalent of a referendum?

[New Judge]

No.

Many people casting their votes in a GE do so on the basis of choosing the mob they dislike the least. They vote to keep the others out, not particularly to put in whom they would prefer to win. Many voting for the SNP do so for precisely that reason, not because they want Scottish Independence. So a majority for the SNP in a GE should not be taken that that same majority want to see an independent Scotland.

[perseverer]

The SNP line is that when the general election comes along, they will stand on the single issue of independence and then hope to get an overall majority of votes in Scotland. In 2019, they secured 47%.

The BBC article seems to me to be a very fair appraisal of the situation and might even meet with TTT's approval.

In my own opinion, the SNP would be less likely to get an overall majority if they made it a single issue precisely because as has been said people have voted for them in the past because they were the least worst, though what that says about the other parties is frightening.

[ToraToraTora]

22:20, yes but also surely it's irresponsible to campaign on only one issue??

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//22:20, yes but also surely it's irresponsible to campaign on only one issue??//

Sounds exactly what Johnson did when pushing Brexit…….?

[davebro]

The Scots should be made to "fess up". To say that a 2nd Indyref would be "advisory" is duplicitous brinkmanship. i.e. "we can stick it to the English by voting for Independence but we still don't have to risk doing it"
If there IS an Indyref2 the result should be binding and the issue put to bed. The SNP are playing a game they really don't want to win.

[New Judge]

//Sounds exactly what Johnson did when pushing Brexit…….?//

Not quite:

https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/conservative-party-manifesto-2019

[perseverer]

Minor correction, 45% in 2019 GE.

It may well be irresponsible to campaign on a single issue but it is their proposed strategy. If you are the SNP and your avowed aim is independence then people should not be surprised you will do anything you can to achieve that aim.

(Once again, I am not for independence, I am not an SNP supporter, and as an additional opinion, I would propose that any referendum on any major issue should require slightly more than a simple majority to be carried, though getting an agreement on the required percentage would probably require a referendum!)

[THECORBYLOON]

How much is, "slightly more than a majority"?

Would your percentage be based upon those who voted or would it be based on those eligible to vote?

[naomi24]

Political parties don’t need to be responsible when they’re campaigning. Voters look at what’s on offer and decide from there. That’s why Screaming Lord Sutch never made it to parliament.

[FatticusInch]

New Judge
//not quite//

The Manifesto:
Priorities
We Will Unleash Britain's Potential
We Will Strengthen Britain In The World.
We Will Put You First.

That aged well!
Everyone agrees it was all about Brexit and very little else.
As for the manifesto, that was worthless.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1601272/Is-this-the-Government-you-voted-for-Inside-5-broken-Tory-promises/amp

[FatticusInch]

These were somehow missing from the c&p:

Get Brexit Done
We Will Focus On Your Priorities

[Untitled]

scotland would still be independent if it joined the EU

[1ozzy]

//yes but also surely it's irresponsible to campaign on only one issue//

Said the one trick pony,,

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "scotland would still be independent if it joined the EUSSR " - you cannot be independent if another country/bloc is in control of your country. The Scots would have their identity crushed in a few years. They'd have to build a border adopt the Euro, they'd have to accept these measures probably as a condition of joining. You think the Irish border situation is bad! The UK left the EUSSR in order to control its affairs.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//You think the Irish border situation is bad! The UK left the EUSSR in order to control its affairs.//

Remind us again how that’s going?

[THECORBYLOON]

"The UK left the EUSSR in order to control its affairs."

Having this control over its own affairs, the UK government must be soley responsible for imposing controls on goods moving from Great Britain to Ulster but why restrict that movement?

[Untitled]

the EU does not “control” its member states

[Old_Geezer]

It is a complete and utter nonsense to claim that a vote on represention in a GE shows any indication of views on a specific issue. This is made blatantly clear by the fact that the SNP gets much support at all since their fundamental, heart & emotion driven aims, would be so pointless & damaging to the UK. IMO they get the votes from those who like the idea of representatives who have an image of wanting the best (!) for those in northern UK, and blow anyone else, rather than representatives who want the best for the UK as a whole. (Even if it means putting up with their nonsense.)

[Old_Geezer]

The EU blatantly obviously DOES control the member states, or at least is set up to and apply fines if their demands are refused. Their demands are binding, the member states are only allowed to control what the EU decides to let them get on with. (Anyone who thinks otherwise must have erroneously voted remain in the referendum.)

[Untitled]

i do not see much evidence that eu member states have their identities crushed either… even if they are part of the monetary union