Tories Plan Another (Human) Sacrifice

[Peter Pedant]

News tonight
Chancellor goes home on a bus probably
and Tories gather in gaggles and whisper Treason and a surprise attack

will she survive, or will she be an early Boris?

[naomi24]

They're only in step with the people they represent because the people they represent know they messed up - and they know it too - now.

[jno]

no, I think the MPs agree with their constitutents: they know with Truss leading them they'll all lose their jobs. It's the party members who voted for Truss. But I don't know how you square this circle.

[Zacs-Master]

Foo! BA from PP.

[THECORBYLOON]

The MPs decided the final two but it was TORATORATORA and like-minded party members who preferred Truss as Prime Minister.

[naomi24]

jno, I think they'd have lost their jobs regardless of the candidate chosen because I don't believe any of them was fit for purpose - and the electorate know that. This shambles is not what the electorate wanted and it isn't what they voted for. They messed up in getting rid of their biggest vote winner.

[jno]

the MPs got rid of Boris because they were no longer prepared to work for a man who told them to lie on his behalf. That seems like principled behaviour on their part (though somewhat belated - they'd previously been unconcerned that he lied to the queen). But the party members chose to replace him with someone worse.

That's what I mean abut squaring the circle. Who should be in charge of a party, the members who pay their subs or the MPs who purport to act in its name? I don't know the answer.

[naomi24]

//the party members chose to replace him with someone worse. //

As vote-winners go they're all 'someone worse'. Regardless of your personal opinions of the man himself, getting rid of him was a gift to the opposing parties and an unmitigated disaster for the country.

[Gromit]

The present system has supplied two duff leaders so has to change.

It is right that party members should have their say. But maybe they shouldn’t have the final say. They should try reversing the process. Members can vote for any one candidate from all MPs, and the four that get the most votes get on a shortlist that MPs decide on.

[ichkeria]

Yes in retrospect binning Johnson was a bad move but only because of the rule that they had to get the party members to choose.
It’s so like Labour and Corbyn.
If not for that we’d have Sunak as PM and there’d probably be no talk of Johnson

[ichkeria]

They should not have a say in choosing a sitting PM.
That I’d very wrong IMO

[ichkeria]

Elected MPs should choose certainly a new PM.
Not unelected party members.

[naomi24]

Ich, the mistake in binning Johnson was that there was no obvious successor and Sunak wouldn't have cut it either. Encouraged by the media bandwagons were set rolling and like the fools that they are, they all jumped on. There will be no 'squaring' of this circle. They've launched themselves voluntarily onto a path of self-destruction and self-destruct they will. There is one man who's very happy though - Keir Stamer, who confessed that with Johnson at the helm he had no chance of ever being in a position to govern. That should have told them everything.

[davebro]

kinda shows how adept Boris was at keeping the rabble under control for as long as he did

[Gromit]

// Keir Stamer, who confessed that with Johnson at the helm he had no chance of ever being in a position to govern. //

Very unlikely that he ever said that. Did you just make that up ?

[FatticusInch]

naomi24
//They're only in step with the people they represent because the people they represent know they messed up - and they know it too - now.//

Guesstimates were around 50 MP’s and around 81,000 Tory party members who actually wanted her/voted for her.
When she goes in the next 4-5 days I’d say it’s only fair that the next Party Leader call a GE immediately, this fiasco has gone far enough, the markets won’t be placated until they do.

[FatticusInch]

davebro
//kinda shows how adept Boris was at keeping the rabble under control for as long as he did//

Does that include the 148 he couldn’t even before Pincher?

[FatticusInch]

For the forgetful, Johnson wasn’t binned, he resigned as a result of perpetual lying that the parliamentary party could not longer defend.

[davebro]

It's all very sad - for the party & for the country. The turmoil will not end anytime soon whether or not a GE is called.

[ichkeria]

Indeed.
He only appears palatable in comparison to his replacement.

[ichkeria]

Don’t forget that MPs are suppose les to represent their constituents - no matter how those constituents vote.
Sunak predicted painfully accurately what would happen kami-Kwasi Trussonomics.