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Albanian Migrants
All migrants whether legal or illegal will eventually have to be housed and later when they have imported their bride there will be family members coming and overstaying.
We are unable to build housing to meet the needs of British citizens and now have the constant flow of extra people to accommodate. Already there is talk of 'reviewing' the Green Belt. So much for England's Green & pleasant Land
We are unable to build housing to meet the needs of British citizens and now have the constant flow of extra people to accommodate. Already there is talk of 'reviewing' the Green Belt. So much for England's Green & pleasant Land
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Have had a good laugh at all the posts from folks who have never been to Albania and know little about the country and its people. Going back to Tirana and Durres next year for a month's holiday. Wonderful people, especially my adopted family the Velcani clan who took me under their wing back in 2002. Don't come back to me with your doom and gloom, I could counter every argument from an Albanian perspective.
naomi: "TTT, So you think they're all going to leave France in order to find another route to the UK - thereby curing France's problem too? I think you're dreaming - not least because France has plenty who arrive there and make no effort to leave. " - the ones that want to get to the UK will either try another way or apply through the correct channels in France. The ones that want to stay in any of the EUSSR countries are presumably already going through the correct channels. They are NOT the ones I'm talking about. The ones in the camps in Calais who are NOT applying in France and are there solely to get to UK are the problem that I am trying to solve. Of course there will still be some in France but only the ones that want to apply there in the first place. My plan removes the whole swathe of those in the Calais camps that have not applied in France. They would either leave France to try another route or stay and apply properly. Either way crossings are stopped and the Calais camps removed win for UK win for France.
Sorry I should of added those being trafficked here from Albania, are 1-2% of the male population of Albania,why do you think that is MaggieB?
// Albanian nationals currently represent the highest percentage of foreign nationals in custody with more than 1,500 in prison in England and Wales //
Why is this MaggieB?
// Albanian nationals currently represent the highest percentage of foreign nationals in custody with more than 1,500 in prison in England and Wales //
Why is this MaggieB?
Naomi: "You keep moving the goalposts, TTT. In one breath you say your plan would result in curing France's problem too - and then it won't" - I have not move the goal posts I am explaining diferent aspects that come up. Her are the 2 problems:
UK - Migrant channel crossings
FRANCE tent cities in Calais riven with crime and people trafficking, no one there is applying for asylum in France.
My solution solves both those. I am not talking about legitimate asylum applicants in Europe that are going through the correct procedure.
UK - Migrant channel crossings
FRANCE tent cities in Calais riven with crime and people trafficking, no one there is applying for asylum in France.
My solution solves both those. I am not talking about legitimate asylum applicants in Europe that are going through the correct procedure.
//That sounds good newjudge if it works.. but what happens when France refuses to accept them and turns them back again to us. . or if France insist on doing checks at Dover before the ferry's set off and kick them off.//
Then they must be physically prevented from landing here. It should not be too difficult to simply prevent them from advancing into UK waters. We continually hear “What if…? What if….?” The government’s job is to govern the country in the best interests of everybody here. It is in nobody’s interest that this invasion is allowed to continue unabated. If the laws of the UK do not permit such actions then the laws need changing. If "international law" prevents it then we must withdraw from those agreements. If other countries are unwilling to co-operate in our best interests they should be under no illusion that this country’s government will.
// Was just trying to explain how some people had vastly overreacted to a tiny number in a seaside resort. It's ludicrous to believe their presence will 'destroy' the resort and sad that idiotic racism mars local debate.//
It may be a tiny number for Paignton. And that’s a lot of the problem. People who live three hundred miles away from where this invasion is occurring have absolutely no idea of the problems it is causing. If you lived on the Kent coast instead of sunny Torbay you may think a little differently. It is not racist to want your country’s borders protected.
//What would you do with homeless people living in doorways? Round them up and dump them elsewhere?//
That is a totally different issue and is a “non sequitur”.
//New Judge. You're wrong about the hotel being requisitioned.//
Maybe so in Paignton (which again demonstrates your lack of understanding of the problem). In other parts of the country hotels have been requisitioned (or “block booked” by the government if you don’t like the wartime connotations). People with bookings have had them cancelled; people who stay at them regularly have been turned away. I’m sure the owner is pleased with his unexpected winter custom. I’m also fairly certain he doesn’t live on the premises or next door.
//The problem with that plan is it would be effectively making the UK into people smugglers.//
//NJ; If we intercept a boat-load of would-be illegals and dump them back on French soil, are we not guilty of trafficking?//
Sorry both, but that’s utter nonsense. To smuggle means to move people or goods illegally or secretly. Human trafficking involves exploiting people for gain, often under threat. The government would be doing neither.
//Don't come back to me with your doom and gloom, I could counter every argument from an Albanian perspective.//
Then why are people (predominantly young males) leaving and heading for the UK. Most estimates suggest that over 12,000 have arrived in the UK this year. That does not count those who have left Albania and are in other countries in Europe. The male population of Albania is about 1.2m. Assuming the age distribution is the same as the UK, 30% of these (360,000) are under 25. This means around 3% of young Albanian males have arrived illegally in the UK this year. Why should that be if the place is so agreeable?
//They want to be in Europe -//
The last time I looked, Tora, Albania (which this question is about) was in Europe. Just not the bit of Europe many young male Albanians want to be in.
Then they must be physically prevented from landing here. It should not be too difficult to simply prevent them from advancing into UK waters. We continually hear “What if…? What if….?” The government’s job is to govern the country in the best interests of everybody here. It is in nobody’s interest that this invasion is allowed to continue unabated. If the laws of the UK do not permit such actions then the laws need changing. If "international law" prevents it then we must withdraw from those agreements. If other countries are unwilling to co-operate in our best interests they should be under no illusion that this country’s government will.
// Was just trying to explain how some people had vastly overreacted to a tiny number in a seaside resort. It's ludicrous to believe their presence will 'destroy' the resort and sad that idiotic racism mars local debate.//
It may be a tiny number for Paignton. And that’s a lot of the problem. People who live three hundred miles away from where this invasion is occurring have absolutely no idea of the problems it is causing. If you lived on the Kent coast instead of sunny Torbay you may think a little differently. It is not racist to want your country’s borders protected.
//What would you do with homeless people living in doorways? Round them up and dump them elsewhere?//
That is a totally different issue and is a “non sequitur”.
//New Judge. You're wrong about the hotel being requisitioned.//
Maybe so in Paignton (which again demonstrates your lack of understanding of the problem). In other parts of the country hotels have been requisitioned (or “block booked” by the government if you don’t like the wartime connotations). People with bookings have had them cancelled; people who stay at them regularly have been turned away. I’m sure the owner is pleased with his unexpected winter custom. I’m also fairly certain he doesn’t live on the premises or next door.
//The problem with that plan is it would be effectively making the UK into people smugglers.//
//NJ; If we intercept a boat-load of would-be illegals and dump them back on French soil, are we not guilty of trafficking?//
Sorry both, but that’s utter nonsense. To smuggle means to move people or goods illegally or secretly. Human trafficking involves exploiting people for gain, often under threat. The government would be doing neither.
//Don't come back to me with your doom and gloom, I could counter every argument from an Albanian perspective.//
Then why are people (predominantly young males) leaving and heading for the UK. Most estimates suggest that over 12,000 have arrived in the UK this year. That does not count those who have left Albania and are in other countries in Europe. The male population of Albania is about 1.2m. Assuming the age distribution is the same as the UK, 30% of these (360,000) are under 25. This means around 3% of young Albanian males have arrived illegally in the UK this year. Why should that be if the place is so agreeable?
//They want to be in Europe -//
The last time I looked, Tora, Albania (which this question is about) was in Europe. Just not the bit of Europe many young male Albanians want to be in.
