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The unions, the ultimate 5C. How much is Mick Lynch on? The train drivers are already on at least 60k. Pure greed from the communists.
The unions, the ultimate 5C. How much is Mick Lynch on? The train drivers are already on at least 60k. Pure greed from the communists.
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Unions are for Sheeple who can't think for themselves or didn't work hard enough at school and have crap jobs. I abhor them.
18:04 Tue 22nd Nov 2022
// almost all drivers are members of ASLEF who aren’t the ones on strike //
really, Fitzer?
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Ah, the usual socialists and communist sympathisers out I see.
As TGL said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." or words to that effect (for the pedantic).
I wouldnt worry about Lynch, he will be trousering his salary whilst advising workers to go out on strike and earn nothing or very little from the strike fund.
Like the Postal workers they are all in their last throes, times have changed.
As TGL said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." or words to that effect (for the pedantic).
I wouldnt worry about Lynch, he will be trousering his salary whilst advising workers to go out on strike and earn nothing or very little from the strike fund.
Like the Postal workers they are all in their last throes, times have changed.
I note that the Subversives and Sabateurs (Subs&Sabs) have in house support. They always need it to operate with impunity. The Nazis though highly of their very own Quisling. Of course, these very same gainsayers will celebrate the disruption and inconvenience caused to the public at Christmas and the New Year and even now are preparing the confected outrage that blames the wicked "Gubment" for spoiling Christmas.
I had a similar problem TTT. When I was 17 I was accepted for an apprenticeship at a local fairly big engineering company, until the Union turned round and said I was too old.
Also had problems in Bruxelles with them, an affable Walloon chap was getting married and asked me if he could do overtime when available. He was a good worker so I put him down (after asking) until one day the Union said no, he has done too much. And that was the end of that, no overtime for him for a MONTH!
Also had problems in Bruxelles with them, an affable Walloon chap was getting married and asked me if he could do overtime when available. He was a good worker so I put him down (after asking) until one day the Union said no, he has done too much. And that was the end of that, no overtime for him for a MONTH!
As a teenager I worked for the NCB. Down "t" pit at 17 after training as a 16 year old. I was advised by the "big lads" that it was best if I joined the union and dragged along to a union meeting. I was astounded that the main agenda was all about thwarting management plans to meet tonnage targets and product quality demands from consumers. My first and last ever union meeting and I refused to join the spoilers. They blamed the management when the mine closed but the miners know who caused it in their hearts. They just could not face the fact that they had been duped by people pretending to be acting in their interests who were using them for political purposes. British Leyland et. etc. anyone?
There's an easy way to sort these strikes out: once the workers walk out, they stay out. All this two days in, two days out is simply pandering to their whims. A couple of days strike causes almost a week of interrupted services.
Go on strike and you stay out until you decide to work normally again.
Go on strike and you stay out until you decide to work normally again.
NJ; "There's an easy way to sort these strikes out: once the workers walk out, they stay out. All this two days in, two days out is simply pandering to their whims. A couple of days strike causes almost a week of interrupted services.
Go on strike and you stay out until you decide to work normally again."
Surely it's the strikers who decide when they are going to strike? I don't think that the bosses tell them what days are allowed? What is this 'easy way'? Easiest of all would be to make all striking illegal. Would you favour that? What if the workers decided to disobey, and simply stayed at home? Would they be arrested? Who would do their job?
Go on strike and you stay out until you decide to work normally again."
Surely it's the strikers who decide when they are going to strike? I don't think that the bosses tell them what days are allowed? What is this 'easy way'? Easiest of all would be to make all striking illegal. Would you favour that? What if the workers decided to disobey, and simply stayed at home? Would they be arrested? Who would do their job?
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//Ok, we've decided to work normally today. Oh we've decided to start a new strike tommorow then.//
The legislation would be amended requiring a new ballot of members and notice given (as required at the moment) for the fresh strike.
//Surely it's the strikers who decide when they are going to strike?//
Yes they do, within the law (see above).
//Easiest of all would be to make all striking illegal. Would you favour that?//
Yes I would. Walk out whether an “official” strike or not - and you’re in breach of contract.
//What if the workers decided to disobey, and simply stayed at home? Would they be arrested?//
No they would be dismissed.
//Who would do their job?//
For every vacancy advertised for train drivers, operating companies receive at least twenty applications. There would be no shortage of people to take their place (on £60k a year). It would cause disruption as the new drivers would have to be trained. But most of them know what side’s their bread is buttered and know that getting a £60k job elsewhere would not be that easy.
In 1981 President Reagan fired more than 11,000 Air Traffic Controllers who had been in dispute with their employers and went on strike. That arguably had the potential to cause far more chaos than the rail strikes here. They have been ongoing for months and the world hasn’t fallen apart. The railway workers should realise that the rail network is nowhere near as vital as it was just a few years ago. Far fewer people need to travel by train (though many choose to) and trains are no longer needed to cart coal around to power stations. If they had a strong hand the dispute would have been settled by now. But they haven't and it isn’t. ASLEF needs to move on. There have been neither engineers nor firemen on the UK’s trains for more than 50 years.
The legislation would be amended requiring a new ballot of members and notice given (as required at the moment) for the fresh strike.
//Surely it's the strikers who decide when they are going to strike?//
Yes they do, within the law (see above).
//Easiest of all would be to make all striking illegal. Would you favour that?//
Yes I would. Walk out whether an “official” strike or not - and you’re in breach of contract.
//What if the workers decided to disobey, and simply stayed at home? Would they be arrested?//
No they would be dismissed.
//Who would do their job?//
For every vacancy advertised for train drivers, operating companies receive at least twenty applications. There would be no shortage of people to take their place (on £60k a year). It would cause disruption as the new drivers would have to be trained. But most of them know what side’s their bread is buttered and know that getting a £60k job elsewhere would not be that easy.
In 1981 President Reagan fired more than 11,000 Air Traffic Controllers who had been in dispute with their employers and went on strike. That arguably had the potential to cause far more chaos than the rail strikes here. They have been ongoing for months and the world hasn’t fallen apart. The railway workers should realise that the rail network is nowhere near as vital as it was just a few years ago. Far fewer people need to travel by train (though many choose to) and trains are no longer needed to cart coal around to power stations. If they had a strong hand the dispute would have been settled by now. But they haven't and it isn’t. ASLEF needs to move on. There have been neither engineers nor firemen on the UK’s trains for more than 50 years.
I wonder if the Lynch’s of the world would be quite so quick to do a Vic Spanner if they also weren’t paid during a strike?
Actually, I don’t need that question answered as I already know the answer.
When Scargill got his backside handed to him on a plate by Thatcher, a superior strategist, he allowed his members to be in penury while he still collected his full salary.
If union leaders had any integrity, they’d insist they weren’t paid while their members weren’t getting paid.
Actually, I don’t need that question answered as I already know the answer.
When Scargill got his backside handed to him on a plate by Thatcher, a superior strategist, he allowed his members to be in penury while he still collected his full salary.
If union leaders had any integrity, they’d insist they weren’t paid while their members weren’t getting paid.
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