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Mick ‘Grinch’ Holding The Country To Ransom Has Called More Dates To Strike
I feel for all those people who want to be with their family’s this Christmas, they’ve now included Christmas Eve in their disruption, my opinion is he’s trying every thing he can to bring down the Government, shades of Arthur Scargill, 8% over two years is no good to him, why can’t he see there is no money in the pot to meet his extravagant demands
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In the seventies the British car industry was in a hell of a state. It was, thought many people going to crash out - and it did. It was steered to the precipice by a communist convener called Derek Robinson, or red Robbo as he was well known. Many believe he single handedly killed the British motor industry allowing BMW, Mercedes etc plus all the Japanese...
11:55 Tue 06th Dec 2022
AH: "Mr Lynch, like Mr Scargill before him, is an elected official and if he is not carrying out his duties as his membership expects, they can, and would, elect someone else to represent them, " - have a day off, Scargill led them over a cliff and was rewarded by being president for life. So the NDM became the UDM and they all left and Scargill became king of the castle, err what was left of it! ie burger all. Whilst they all starved for a year when he started a strike in March, he continued to take his salary. How can anyone back these charlatans? The lefties hate TGL but they made her necessary then made her!
Paul22118 - // In the seventies the British car industry was in a hell of a state. It was, thought many people going to crash out - and it did. It was steered to the precipice by a communist convener called Derek Robinson, or red Robbo as he was well known. Many believe he single handedly killed the British motor industry allowing BMW, Mercedes etc plus all the Japanese Companies to fill - successfully - the void. Mr Lynch is in that vein. Who remembers Red Robbo? So let us sit back and watch the rail industry die. //
I suspect you are falling for the media nonsense in this - assuming that the mouthpiece for the union is actually the power behind the strike action.
It's easy for the media to create a 'bogey man' for the public to fixc their ire on, they did it with Mr Robinson, Mr Scargill, and now with Mr Lynch.
But if you recall history, rather than the media spin, you will recall that the unions represented by both Mr Robinson and Mr Scargill eventually rejected their respective calls for strikes, and negotiated settlements.
I clearly remember images of Mr Robinson leaving a public ballot in tears when it failed to go the way he wanted.
These men were, and are representatives of a union, they speak what their members want them to say, they don't make it up, and they have no meaningful power whatsoever.
I suspect you are falling for the media nonsense in this - assuming that the mouthpiece for the union is actually the power behind the strike action.
It's easy for the media to create a 'bogey man' for the public to fixc their ire on, they did it with Mr Robinson, Mr Scargill, and now with Mr Lynch.
But if you recall history, rather than the media spin, you will recall that the unions represented by both Mr Robinson and Mr Scargill eventually rejected their respective calls for strikes, and negotiated settlements.
I clearly remember images of Mr Robinson leaving a public ballot in tears when it failed to go the way he wanted.
These men were, and are representatives of a union, they speak what their members want them to say, they don't make it up, and they have no meaningful power whatsoever.
bhg481 - // It's amazing what a good orator can persuade people to do, even when it's not really in their own interest. Take Hitler, for example. //
Union members don;t decide on strike action because some charismatic speaker brainwashes them into it. They do it because they wish to achieve their aim for better pay and working conditions.
And I would not suggest that Mr Lynch is an 'orator' at all, and I suspect he would agree with me.
Union members don;t decide on strike action because some charismatic speaker brainwashes them into it. They do it because they wish to achieve their aim for better pay and working conditions.
And I would not suggest that Mr Lynch is an 'orator' at all, and I suspect he would agree with me.
I agree, Andy, that ML is not an orator as such, but he always speaks calmly and logically and is in full command of his brief. He's wiped the floor with such luminaries as Kay Burley, Piers Morgan and assorted politicians (probably not that difficult). He's nothing like Arthur Scargill as I remember him.
JDavis - // I agree, Andy, that ML is not an orator as such, but he always speaks calmly and logically and is in full command of his brief. He's wiped the floor with such luminaries as Kay Burley, Piers Morgan and assorted politicians (probably not that difficult). He's nothing like Arthur Scargill as I remember him. //
I must beg to differ - although I never for one moment agreed with Mr Scargill's position with regard to the miners's strikes and demands, I was always deeply impressed with his command of facts, and his ability to demolish interviewers with his calm and logical destruction of their questions.
I must beg to differ - although I never for one moment agreed with Mr Scargill's position with regard to the miners's strikes and demands, I was always deeply impressed with his command of facts, and his ability to demolish interviewers with his calm and logical destruction of their questions.
Ellipsis - // Well, the pensioners got the triple lock, so they can hardly complain if train drivers get the same rise, can ... oh ... //
The two are not comparable.
Pensioners enjoying the triple lock are getting the pension two which they contributed throughout their working lives, in my case, forty-four years.
Further more, I was taxed on my contributions when I made them going in, and I am taxed again when I receive my pension, and they come out, so that is not the equivalent of a wage rise for working people with a salary.
My wife, like millions of other women, was deprived of six years of her pension entitlement with just a couple of years' notice, so no, there is no comparion in your point.
The two are not comparable.
Pensioners enjoying the triple lock are getting the pension two which they contributed throughout their working lives, in my case, forty-four years.
Further more, I was taxed on my contributions when I made them going in, and I am taxed again when I receive my pension, and they come out, so that is not the equivalent of a wage rise for working people with a salary.
My wife, like millions of other women, was deprived of six years of her pension entitlement with just a couple of years' notice, so no, there is no comparion in your point.
I thought Scargill's tactical mistake in the 1984 miners' strike was not calling for a members' ballot which he would most probably have won anyway.
He also, as I recall, failed to condemn a striking miner who dropped a concrete slab from a motorway bridge, killing the taxi driver who was ferrying a 'scab' to work.
He also, as I recall, failed to condemn a striking miner who dropped a concrete slab from a motorway bridge, killing the taxi driver who was ferrying a 'scab' to work.
Zacs - // Ah yes, Arthur Scargill the miner's leader who used TGL's right-to-buy law to buy his a £2million flat at half price. Typical Union leader. //
Mr Scargill used his position to take advantage of a legally offered scheme to buy his home at a reduced rate.
Anyone in his position would do the same - it has nothing to do with him being a union leader - 'typical' or otherwise.
Mr Scargill used his position to take advantage of a legally offered scheme to buy his home at a reduced rate.
Anyone in his position would do the same - it has nothing to do with him being a union leader - 'typical' or otherwise.
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