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ichkeria | 10:41 Wed 18th Jan 2023 | News
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… which God knows has seen enough.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64315594

How long before Russia claims it shot it down?

I see our old (esp Gromit’s) friend Mr Arestovich has resigned over claims he made about the Dnipro bombing.
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It's war. Sadly the truth is always a casualty so we are never likely to know the full answers to much of this.

Ukrainians just need to not loose hope and press on no matter what is siad. (Easy I know to say that from my office).
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It looks suspicious given who was on board, but the conditions were "ideal" for this sort of incident.

You should, btw, fight the myth that "truth is a caualty of war"
There are those who would have us believe there is no such thing as truth, and we serve their purposes by going along with it,
Of course there is truth, but getting to it is often difficult.

One should not immediately believe anything anyone says in war, or often other times. The UK had a massive propaganda department during WW2, its part of the war.

However, some are more believable than others. For instance I dont believe a word any Russian says at the moment.
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If they were to say they had shot it down, and to be fair there is no suggestion they have or will, then you could be darn sure they hadn't :-)
// I see our old (esp Gromit’s) friend Mr Arestovich has resigned //

In case anyone takes that literally, he was not my friend, I wrote that he was a very unreliable source of information. And I am pleased he has gone.

// I have looked up who Aleksey Arestovich is, and various sources paint him as a dodgy character. A member of a far right nationalist organisation, propagandist, and actor.
Arestovych wrote on Facebook that he had “lied a lot since the spring of 2014”, tweaking numbers of people who had been wounded on both sides, for instance. He added: “It was pure propaganda work. //
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That’s what I meant Gromit
It read like I was a supporter of him. I am not.

You had cited him as the source of one of your postings. I pointed out that he was a self confessed liar and propagandist, and we should not believe him.
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You shouldn’t be so touchy

“Old friend” is an ironic term 99.9 per cent of the time.
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He claimed, I believe, that the apartment was hit by debris from a destroyed missile, which was an odd thing to do.
// “Old friend” is an ironic term 99.9 per cent of the time. //

Not where I live.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/old%20friend
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I’m sure they’ll investigate all possibilities but the “shot down” one won’t be entertained for too long I shouldn’t think
Awful RIP.
Whatever the cause, it's a tragedy & I wish the best to those in hospital.

RIP.
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Quote from Putin today:

"Everything we do today, including the special military operation, is to stop this war"

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Quote from Putin today:

"Everything we do today, including the special military operation, is to stop this war"

The Russian people lap this sort of stuff up ( a/c to the Beeb) - "I will return Ukraine to the Russian Empire and we can loot Ukraine grain to our hearts content". No wonder they go for it
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Digressing slightly:

Since occupying Soledar Russians there have been repeatedly blasted by Ukrainian precision strikes and artillery leading to even higher daily casualty rates. Additionally if main objective of the effort at Soledar was the cutting of the Bakhmut highway. This effort failed. UKR forces maintain in control of it.
Interesting letter in the Times
admittedly on How to Avoid a Row

Dear Sir, writes Anne Harrow, Consultant psychotherapist, Further to your article how not to row, it may be sobering to reflect that although what you say about another person may or may not be true, it is as sure as eggs true about you.

oo-er Mrs better be careful about what I say about third parties
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One more sleep until Ramstein :-)

The Poles are going to act without the Germans if need be it seems …

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