Credit Where It's Due........

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-64715944
...she's had the bottle to put her own views out there. No doubt she'll become a target for the woke, fascist trolls. Sad that it has probably torpedoed here bit to become FM.

[Zacs-Master]

It probably has. Her views on children outside marriage are a little.....out of date, shall we say.

[douglas9401]

You may want to temper your stance until unscripted words are in the public domain, Tora.

Evangelical Christians and their odd ideas have no place in our politics.

She may find a more receptive audience in Northern Ireland.

[weecalf]

Is anyone allowed to have a view these days ?

[barry1010]

The majority of people who disagree with her will not be woke, fascists nor trolls. Some who agree with her will have extreme views, as will some who disagree with her.
No need for labels, insults or name calling.

[Zacs-Master]

Of course you are, Weecalf. But saying that children outside marriage is wrong in 2023 might just draw some 'fire' which isn't conducive to becoming leader of a country.

[ToraToraTora]

"No need for labels, insults or name calling." - agreed, but that won't stop a lot of vitriol like that suffered by JKR for example, for having an "incorrect" view on something.

[Zacs-Master]

Do you agree with her views on children outside marriage then, Tora?

[barry1010]

I admire her for making her beliefs public, far better than paying lip service for votes.
I don't agree with her but I don't condemn her for her values as long as she lives by them but doesn't demand others do.

[barry1010]

I was referring to your name calling, TTT, as I suspect you know.

[ToraToraTora]

what name calling?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA '"No need for labels, insults or name calling." - agreed, but that won't stop a lot of vitriol like that suffered by JKR for example, for having an "incorrect" view on something.'

Do you not resort to "labels, insults or name calling" when some others have an "incorrect" view on something as far as you are concerned?

[weecalf]

Zack master okay lets hear wan then .

[Zacs-Master]

Weecalf, I'm not running for the leadership of a country.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "Do you agree with her views on children outside marriage then, Tora?" - no, I agree with almost nothing she says and I'm an atheist to boot. I do however defend her right to have those views. The kids out of wedlock is only part of it wait till the gay marriage and TG brigade get hold of her views on those things. I fight woke fascism the idea that we all must have prescribed views on any given subject.

[Canary42]

///The majority of people who disagree with her will not be woke, fascists nor trolls.///

Ah, but where would we be without TTT's unpleasant epithets for everyone he doesn't agree with.

[weecalf]

Zac agree Nor either am I so won’t be giving a view on anything

[bednobs]

ttt i'm absolutely astonished at your hypocrisy
1) moaning about people insulting others for their views, when its what YOU do, unpleasantly most days then saying "what name calling". Are you so used to calling people who dont agree with your view of the world names you dont even notice any more? (hint, read your original post!)
2) fighting to uphold the right for people to have different views on a subject (except when those views differ from yours!)

[ToraToraTora]

Nobs what are you talking about? I defend anyone's right to their views. That doesn't mean those views should go unchallenged. I'm talking about the disgusting woke trolls that haunt anyone without the prescribed view on any given subject, I thought I'd made that clear.

[ToraToraTora]

bednobs: "1) moaning about people insulting others for their views, when its what YOU do," - well beyond my spats with gulliver I don't call people names, I label them accurately for their actions. eg if you threaten death on people who claim a woman can't have a penis then they are woke fascists, my comment above was pre-empting those.
"unpleasantly most days then saying "what name calling" - just labelling as per the actions
" Are you so used to calling people who dont agree with your view of the world names you dont even notice any more? (hint, read your original post!)" - as I said this is nothing to do with agreeing or not.
2) fighting to uphold the right for people to have different views on a subject (except when those views differ from yours!) " - I think this post demonstrates the opposite.

[douglas9401]

It's easier to follow the logic of Tora if you're able to keep his Labour aren't Labour contention in mind.