Out Of Order?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/michael-schumachers-family-plans-legal-action-over-ai-interview-which-generated-fake-quotes-12861614
...I hope the mag gets its April sued right off.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought you didn't believe in Artificial Intelligence, Tora?

[maggiebee]

Load of old pony

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "I thought you didn't believe in Artificial Intelligence, Tora? " - I don't there is no such thing but this is more to do with the intrusion. Whether they used software or just made it up, seems out of order.

[Zacs-Master]

I know this is tangential to the main point of whether this is intrusion, so apologies but, if bots writing articles isn't AI, what is it?

[New Judge]

//I know this is tangential to the main point of whether this is intrusion, so apologies but, if bots writing articles isn't AI, what is it?//

"Artificial Intelligence" implies the possession of the ability to think and take reasonable decisions. Anybody with intelligence would not produce such an article so the AI is not very I at all. But worse than that, however it was produced, somebody (a human being) has allowed the article to be published. And they should pay for that.

[Zacs-Master]

Oh I agree that the Schumacher's legal case should succeed for the reasons you outline.
AI is becoming more and more difficult to spot so I just wanted to try to define what Tora calls it if it's not AI.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "f bots writing articles isn't AI, what is it? " - software, taking advantage of modern hardware and storage capacity to run algorithms that could not be run until the hardware was available. Most advances in computing have been in the hardware sphere.

[ToraToraTora]

AI is a poor term but like a lot of things we are now stuck with it. A better name would be PI, Psuedo Intelligence. That which appears to think but actually just obeys machine instructions.

[Zacs-Master]

But it doesn't just obey machine instructions. It can invent scenarios, extrapolate and reason.

You could say we're just a collection of minerals and compounds and can only think in response to external stimulation.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM"But it doesn't just obey machine instructions. It can invent scenarios, extrapolate and reason. " - it can appear to do that but in the end it's just running code.

[Zacs-Master]

No it isn't, it can invent its own code.

[Zacs-Master]

Here, have a read.....
https://www.science.org/content/article/ai-learns-write-computer-code-stunning-advance

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "No it isn't, it can invent its own code. " - yes and how do you think it does that? .....a code generator.....induced by code written by humans. I've written several systems that generate code, first one was in 1986, latest one 2012. Nothing new we didn't call it AI though.

[Zacs-Master]

You've not read the link, have you?

[youngmafbog]

But it doesnt really ZM. Read your article a little closer.

Programs to write code have been around for decades, the 'advances' now are that the hardware is much more powerful and at a lower cost. This means algorithms can search data fast. The way most of these generators work is to scour the internet for code already written (Most developers do this - why reinvent the wheel). That is why you own article says it fails with 'tricky' code.

The term 'AI' is jut like the term 'woke'. Both have been adopted by the media for some reason and the original meaning lost.

It will get there, but at the moment is nowhere near. A lot of the 'AI' seems to really be CGI with a couple of bolt ons.

[ToraToraTora]

yes I have, it's nothing new.

[Zacs-Master]

We'll have to disagree. As I understand it, computers are well on the way to being independent thinking entities.

[ClareTG0ld]

AI probably used to be conceived of, in effect, in terms of a genuine artificial brain. These days it's defined more broadly. In this respect, I think TTT's definition is too close to the earlier conception to be particularly useful.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "We'll have to disagree. As I understand it, computers are well on the way to being independent thinking entities. " - nope, they'll give that impression but they'll just be running code.

[youngmafbog]

//As I understand it, computers are well on the way to being independent thinking entities.//

No, not yet. It's all media hype.

At the moment all they do is search data and then present it in a 'human' fashion. It has been found out many times, and also been wrong but of course that is not reported.

Bottom line is tt is doing what the programmer has told it to do and what the data it finds says. And that will of course include all the bias of the programmer.

I am very wary of claims like this. The big problem is that the vast majority of people are taken in and then believe that the 'AI' is telling the truth. That is the very dangerous situation we find ourselves in - at the moment.

However having said that there will come a point when the machine will be able to 'think' and that is what Musk & Co are talking about. Now is the time to decide whether we go down that route although I suspect the genie is already out of the bottle.