What A Shame.. Tories Fail Yet Again!

[Roobaba]

Local elections 2023: Voter ID backfired on Tories - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65599380

Did we laugh.. hahaha haha hehehe just soooooo totally hilarious!

To quote Blackadder..
"I thank God I wore my corset, because I think my sides have split"

[bobbinwales]

Yes bad for Cons, great for libs and greens , dissapointing that Labour don't seem to have got the swing they will need to win a general election. But its only what we're expected as far as poor showing for Cons.
Think this were done to death on here last week by gulliver though so doubt you get much response

[youngmafbog]

Voter ID is a good thing, it may have hit one party more than the other (but I doubt it) long term though this will iron out.

[Untitled]

the "fraud prevention" angle was always bogus... it was an attempt at voter suppression

i hope they do away with it... and if it does not benefit the party then they almost certainly will

[youngmafbog]

//it was an attempt at voter suppression//

And your proof of that is?

And no, they should not do away with it. Want to vote prove who you are, how can anyone (except communists) disagree with that?

[Untitled]

because we didn't bother with it for the 100 years' worth of elections beforehand and did absolutely fine... the evidence for voter fraud on any significant scale in this country is non existent

[Peter Pedant]

This is gerry-mandering and naughty Jacob should know that there are no votes in changing a system so that they get more.

Far more likely to the corruption on an industrial scale observed in the Brum mayoral election. ( the one that had the electoral court ( electoral whaaaa?) - sit for the first time since 1867. My gaaad, said the Judge - which funny hat do I wear?).

callaghan did this in 1979 ( delayed redrawing constituencies to avoid MP loss) and got slated for it

[Peter Pedant]

the evidence for voter fraud on any significant scale in this country is non existent

nope - Brum

proves there was ( fraud on a significant scale in that election) and so the question is NOT " there aint any, foo! (den)" but
how much of a problem is it?

[Peter Pedant]

isnt any gonna go for:

there should be no fraud

and party advantage is irrelevant - - xc little me and who listens to me?

[Old_Geezer]

No one turning up to vote needs to prove to government who they are. The system used for years worked just fine. There is no evidence of abuse. If there was any concern at all they'd be clamping down on multiple postal votes. It seems part of the attempt to have an id card equivalent by the back door, which goes hand in hand with the effective database merging that clearly is going on in the background. All about monitoring and controlling citizens. They will have succeeded before most realise what they were supporting all that time.

[naomi24]

//it was an attempt at voter suppression//

Nonsense. If it stops people voting it stops them across the board - not just for one party.

//the evidence for voter fraud on any significant scale in this country is non existent//

It's not acceptable on any scale - but Tower Hamlets is an example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648

I can't understand why anyone would object to efforts to prevent fraud - and I'm doubtful that this is the reason for Conservatives failing to turn out in recent local elections. I rarely miss voting but I didn't bother this time and I suspect that applied to others also. I'll vote in the next General Election - and so, I suspect will others - so watch that space.

[ToraToraTora]

So what caused Blair to lose 1150 seats in 1999? In fact they lost seats in local elections in 11 out of their 13 years in power. Mid term low turn out. Lets see what happens in 2024 shall we 9 point lead is nowhere near enough. Sir Beer will need a world record swing to win in 2024, better than Blair in 1997 and he had a 20 point lead.

[theshedman]

All these that are calling for voter ID to be scrapped yet want us back in the EU where ID is necessary to be able to vote. Just doesn't make sense to me. Just another chance to moan at the UK I think.

[theshedman]

By the way forgot to put only 25% voted in our local elections. No interest as they ignore what they say they will do when they are after votes.

[youngmafbog]

//because we didn't bother with it for the 100 years' worth of elections beforehand and did absolutely fine//

So because we did something 100 years ago we shouldn't bother now.

OK, so no homosexuality, no women voting, workhouses ....


Times change.

[ToraToraTora]

30% turnout round here. The way incumbent voters protest is to not vote in mid term local elections. Nothing to see here.

[Untitled]

I don't care what the government claims... these measures were obviously not intended to target fraud they were intended to make it harder for their political opponents to vote... i am pleased that they did not succeed but nobody should have been prevented from casting a legitimate vote at all

naomi... most of the methods used in tower hamlets would not be impacted by voter ID laws

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "I don't care what the government claims... these measures were obviously not intended to target fraud they were intended to make it harder for their political opponents to vote." - So non Tories are less likely to have photo id? How do you arrive at that "fact"?

[Untitled]

i think that is what the people who designed the law believed not necessarily what is actually true

[Untitled]

because they did not allow young people to use travel cards as photo ID but did allow for elderly people to use bus passes.

the only possible reason for doing this is because they knew younger people are less likely to vote tory and older people are more likely to vote tory.

[gulliver1]

Untitled 09.45 Your explanation is spot on .
That was the idea by the.
Sure to lose the election Party.