Civil Servants “May” Strike Over Rwanda Plan

[Bobbisox1]

Are they right to do this ?
Or is the CS now full of left wingers who are hell bent on bringing the Government down ?

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/civil-servants-threaten-strike-forced-rwanda-policy/

[Gromit]

The only Government the Unions have ever brought down was a Labour Government, and it was terrible and needed bringing down.
The Unions are a lot weaken now and have a fraction of the support that they had in the 1970s, so talk of overturning the democratically elected Government is utter nonsense.
But I hope they do, because it has been a shambles since 2016 :-)

[THECORBYLOON]

'The PCS’s head of bargaining, Paul O’Connor, told the Independent: “There will be no stomach amongst our members for implementing the Rwanda deal and Illegal Migration Bill, and they will inevitably come to their trade union to see if there is recourse to stop it happening."'

As the Home Secretary has already said the proposed Bill more than likely contravenes the 2018 Human Rights Act, it sounds like the civil servants are right to be concerned about legalities under international law.

[youngmafbog]

Naomi 12:08. You are closer to the truth than you know!

All this nonsense about illegality is BS. Besides which a Government with the majority it has can force a change to make it legal. And there is always the Parliament Act as favoured by Labour.

[youngmafbog]

//legalities under international law.//

So what is international law and who enforces it?

Also explain how other countries (Western) have such policies (that seem to work)?

Lefty rubbish. Pull out the HRA if needs be. Job done.

[ClareTG0ld]

Firstly, the UK is still subject to International Law, so laws passed in breach of this would be problematic. Secondly, even laws that are passed may be applied improperly or unlawfully.

And, finally, Naomi isn't any closer to the truth now than she was an hour or so ago. I don't doubt that you'll find Civil Servants of every political persuasion, some who'd vote against the present Government in the ballot box and some ardently for it; but the idea that there's any kind of conspiracy to bring down the Government is nonsense.

[bazwillrun]

does this mean asylum seekers that arent asylum seekers but illegal criminal freeloading spongers who come here knowing they wont get booted out and will eventually get what they want in the land of milk and honey as they see it...civil service are a disgrace, time serving pen pushers for the most part who really dont understand that they are there to do what is asked of them and not to throw their toys out of the pram, they are employees of the country

[ToraToraTora]

13:04 for BA

[THECORBYLOON]

"Before a bill can receive Royal Assent using the Parliament Acts, the Speaker of the Commons has to certify that the relevant conditions have been met. The Parliament Acts also cannot be used to pass legislation if the Commons expressly directs that they cannot be used. 

Practically speaking, these requirements mean that a bill must be delayed by the Lords for at least 13 months (across two sessions) for the Parliament Acts to be used."

As there will be a General Election before that period expires, The Parliament Acts will help only if the Tories are re-elected.

[bazwillrun]

"but the idea that there's any kind of conspiracy to bring down the Government is nonsense"

utter nonsense unless you can prove otherwise...i unfortunately had a spell in the CS (very very close to No10)some time ago, they are a disgrace, some of the laziest couldnt give a toss attitude people ive had the displeasure to have to work with...mainly lefties at the time and probably still the same to this day

[naomi24]

ClareTGold, you are … in my opinion … wrong. Dirty deeds are afoot and have been for a very long time … but I don’t think you need telling really.

[bazwillrun]

is this the same C.S. that did and probably still is doing its best to thwart/stop brexit, that C.S....the one we pay for ?

[naomi24]

And that^ is what it’s all about - all of it.

[youngmafbog]

Firstly Naomi did not say " conspiracy to bring down the Government" , she wrote "They are intent in destroying this government." Quite a different thing so stop twisting posts to suit yourself.

Secondly I'm afraid you dont know what you are talking about, I do and Naomi is correct. Of course it does not apply to ALL civil servants.

[youngmafbog]

//the UK is still subject to International Law, so laws passed in breach of this would be problematic//

OK, then tell me why this has not been a problem for other Countries then? I see you ignored that bit.

[Untitled]

it really might have been a good idea to properly research all of the legal implications of the rwanda policy before introducing it

but they didn't because it was never a serious policy honestly intended to resolve a problem... it was designed to look "tough"

but that's the kind of government we are blessed with. Tory kakocracy.

[youngmafbog]

Utter crap ^^^

[Untitled]

also the civil service is not "there to do as it is told"... a bit like the army they have an obligation to disobey instructions that are unlawful or evil... otherwise you get the "just following orders" situation

it is more accurate to say that they are there to ensure that government policy is enacted in accordance with the law

[Untitled]

"it really might have been a good idea to properly research all of the legal implications of the rwanda policy before introducing it"

let it be known that youngmafbog disagrees with this sentence... typical tory who believes in nothing

[ClareTG0ld]

It barely matters what Naomi said precisely, since it's merely her opinion and has no substance whatsoever.

bazwilrun -- It's also the same Civil Service that worked to implement Brexit according to the instructions of the Government. The people trying to thwart Brexit firstly did a pretty poor job of it and secondly were, for the most part, elected representatives in Parliament who got overly excited about a hung Parliament in 2017; pinning it on the CS is lazy and mistaken.

As for ymb, I don't see how you're in any position at all to say that I "don't know what I'm talking about". Seems to amount to a lot of "believe me" with equally little substance. Like I say, I don't doubt that you can find a lot of left-leaning Civil Servants, but you can find a lot of right-leaning ones, and indeed a rather large number of Civil Servants have joined since 2016, with large turnover, so that the political make-up is constantly in flux.

[youngmafbog]

You really dont have a clue about the civil service do you.

There are but a few right leaning ones and most of those are over from the colony's.