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The E,U Are Trying To Force Poland Into Taking
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a share of the mass influx of migrants into Europe.
The Polish don't want the migrants and Premier has shared this video in support of why they don't want them.
(Why else share it?)
https:/
Opions
is he right?
Or should he accept the migrants?
Any other thoughts welcome...
The Polish don't want the migrants and Premier has shared this video in support of why they don't want them.
(Why else share it?)
https:/
Opions
is he right?
Or should he accept the migrants?
Any other thoughts welcome...
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Poland may have a point, in that Ukraine is next door so they've had to bear the brunt of emigration from there; and they are anyway famous for being migrants rather than accepting others. Unfortunately the only information provided in the OP is a link that doesn't work for me, so I don't know what the statistics say.
jno, there are some stats here if that helps you make more of a point:
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Twitter logon needed, so I can't see it.
No nation should be obliged to take migrants from a safe other nation. However when signed up to take orders from the EU elite then you are in an unenviable position. Either assert the sovereignty you no longer have, or get out of the federal block.
That stated, on moral grounds, helping out a nation getting swamped by such incomers, is something that should be considered, according to your nation's present situation. But it needs to be genuine refugees not economic chancers, no known undesirables, and the understanding that they will be returned when the situation in their own nation returns to "normal", not establishing a foothold then bringing their (extended) family to join them. Each applicant to be considered on their own merits before arrival.
No nation should be obliged to take migrants from a safe other nation. However when signed up to take orders from the EU elite then you are in an unenviable position. Either assert the sovereignty you no longer have, or get out of the federal block.
That stated, on moral grounds, helping out a nation getting swamped by such incomers, is something that should be considered, according to your nation's present situation. But it needs to be genuine refugees not economic chancers, no known undesirables, and the understanding that they will be returned when the situation in their own nation returns to "normal", not establishing a foothold then bringing their (extended) family to join them. Each applicant to be considered on their own merits before arrival.
//...the fine is 22k euros per refused immigrant, which Poland is refusing to accept.//
They may have no choice but to accept it. Along with a large majority of its members, Poland is a net recipient of EU funds. They received (net) €140bn between 2004 and 2021 and are due to receive €76bn between 2021 and 2027. The €22k per refused migrant will simply be deducted from their grant.
If Poland wants to do its own thing with immigration it will have to make some sacrifices one way or another (or leave the EU which, looking at the above figures, seems most unlikely).
They may have no choice but to accept it. Along with a large majority of its members, Poland is a net recipient of EU funds. They received (net) €140bn between 2004 and 2021 and are due to receive €76bn between 2021 and 2027. The €22k per refused migrant will simply be deducted from their grant.
If Poland wants to do its own thing with immigration it will have to make some sacrifices one way or another (or leave the EU which, looking at the above figures, seems most unlikely).
// that smart Alec answer looks rather silly, Gromit. //
Perhaps you didn’t understand.
Over this issue they have two choices.
1. Accept a fine and take no refugees.
2. Accept the refugees and pay no fine.
They may decide to take half the refugees and pay half the fine.
It is a club with rules. And accept or fine is the rule they are applying.
Poland could leave the EU if they do not like its rules, but as NJ points out, they are a net beneficiary - so they won’t.
Perhaps you didn’t understand.
Over this issue they have two choices.
1. Accept a fine and take no refugees.
2. Accept the refugees and pay no fine.
They may decide to take half the refugees and pay half the fine.
It is a club with rules. And accept or fine is the rule they are applying.
Poland could leave the EU if they do not like its rules, but as NJ points out, they are a net beneficiary - so they won’t.
Perhaps you didn’t understand.
Over this issue they have two choices.
1. Accept a fine and take no refugees.
2. Accept the refugees and pay no fine.
They may decide to take half the refugees and pay half the fine.
It is a club with rules. And accept or fine is the rule they are applying.
Poland could leave the EU if they do not like its rules, but as NJ points out, they are a net beneficiary - so they won’t.
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I thought you said 'end of'?
Over this issue they have two choices.
1. Accept a fine and take no refugees.
2. Accept the refugees and pay no fine.
They may decide to take half the refugees and pay half the fine.
It is a club with rules. And accept or fine is the rule they are applying.
Poland could leave the EU if they do not like its rules, but as NJ points out, they are a net beneficiary - so they won’t.
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I thought you said 'end of'?
//Maybe they could reduce their payment to the EU by the same amount. They pay something like 7.5b euros I believe.//
I’m not so sure that would work.
In 2022 Poland paid €7.46bn into the EU budget and received €18.74bn in grants (to be spent as directed). The EU controls Poland’s purse strings to the tune of €10bn a year. If Poland reduced its contributions to offset EU fines, the EU would simply reduce its grants accordingly.
I’m not so sure that would work.
In 2022 Poland paid €7.46bn into the EU budget and received €18.74bn in grants (to be spent as directed). The EU controls Poland’s purse strings to the tune of €10bn a year. If Poland reduced its contributions to offset EU fines, the EU would simply reduce its grants accordingly.
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