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Anyone Else Sick Of The Embarrassing Gushing And Worshiping Of The Nhs On 75Th Birthday?
It's ridiculous. The prime minister giving a church reading, school children being made to sing a song about it. Think I'm going to vomit.
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Seems to me we fared better when there were fewer managers etc.. Not that, that, is likely to be the whole problem. Getting back to sensible definitions ot the various jobs/careers would probably help. Nurses should nurse, doctors should doctor. Why were matrons done away with ? Didn't they manage the nursing staff ?
//As for davidsmalls claim about bloated maangement and administrators.... I think its a lazy claim//
I disagree, I know for a fact the management structure in a couple of hospitals and a clinic would not be tolerated in business. You do NOT have one or two people reporting to someone who then reports to someone else.
In addition many of the managers do not have a clue. The NHS needs to run like a business (a non profit one) with all costs parred to the bone. It is a bloated money hungry pit and if we dont fix it soon there wont be one.
This idea of the NHS being treated like a religion is daft, just like much of the covid rubbish many are easily deceived and they then go on to call people covidiots etc.
Labour, well Wess anyway, are on board with change so lets get an all party committee togethre and get it done and stop treating it as a political football.
I disagree, I know for a fact the management structure in a couple of hospitals and a clinic would not be tolerated in business. You do NOT have one or two people reporting to someone who then reports to someone else.
In addition many of the managers do not have a clue. The NHS needs to run like a business (a non profit one) with all costs parred to the bone. It is a bloated money hungry pit and if we dont fix it soon there wont be one.
This idea of the NHS being treated like a religion is daft, just like much of the covid rubbish many are easily deceived and they then go on to call people covidiots etc.
Labour, well Wess anyway, are on board with change so lets get an all party committee togethre and get it done and stop treating it as a political football.
To my mind, as a nurse who started training in 1962, the problems started when the training switched fro the hospital wards and classrooms being taught by Sister Tutors, to degree programmes. We had 3 months in classroom setting then worked on the ward under the watchful eyes of Ward Sisters and Matron. No trusts running or ruining the hospital. Each hospital a seperate entity. We moved from ward to classroom at 3 month intervals working on all the wards both day and night. Wards took turns accepting emergency admissions and convalescent homes staffed by older Sisters and trainees to young to begin the nursing course. No bed blocking, very few cancelled operations
//…written by one NHS hospital's 'poet in residence'.... I didnt know they had them , wonder if its a paid position//
Almost certainly, bob. And I would not be surprised if the resident poet had deputy, an assistant deputy and an administrative team.
//A civilised nation ensures all it's citizens have access to a health service as needed.//
Indeed it does, OG, And in the UK that’s not currently happening (bearing in mind your “as needed” qualification). Access to a health service here is not available “as needed”. It’s available as and when the NHS can fit you in, which usually means months if not years of waiting, often in pain and discomfort, for routine procedures which would end that suffering.
//The NHS saved my grandsons life so I’ll give it all the gushiness and accolades it deserves//
We’ve all got similar tales we can call on, Bobbi. The NHS (or at least a vigilant ENT consultant) saved my life when I was just twenty-one. Unfortunately such episodes do not disguise the overwhelming areas of failure to provide a readily accessible, efficient health service. The vast majority of people do not need their lives saved - they need their hips and knees replaced and their boils lanced.
The NHS is a complete mess. It has been strangled by its own bureaucracy and inefficiency and you don’t have to look far to see this. It cannot be sustained by public money alone and some other form of funding must be introduced. Unfortunately as soon as this is mentioned, up go the cries of “privatisation” and other such nonsense. Well I’ve got news: the NHS is completely unsustainable in its current form, so you can either have a revised model, which will almost certainly see some people putting their hands in their pockets, or you can carry on with the ongoing decline in the country’s health service.
Many people are having to pay for private treatment now anyway because the timescales to get debilitating conditions fixed on the NHS are not tolerable. Time is ripe to ditch the “free for all at point of delivery” mantra and instead inject some realism into the topic. I’m not suggesting you must produce a credit card before you are shovelled off the pavement (which is what some people immediately cry when any alternative scheme is suggested) but something has to give. Unfortunately I cannot see any political party willing the grab the bull by the horns so the end result will be those who can pay for treatment doing so, whilst those who cannot continue to suffer.
Almost certainly, bob. And I would not be surprised if the resident poet had deputy, an assistant deputy and an administrative team.
//A civilised nation ensures all it's citizens have access to a health service as needed.//
Indeed it does, OG, And in the UK that’s not currently happening (bearing in mind your “as needed” qualification). Access to a health service here is not available “as needed”. It’s available as and when the NHS can fit you in, which usually means months if not years of waiting, often in pain and discomfort, for routine procedures which would end that suffering.
//The NHS saved my grandsons life so I’ll give it all the gushiness and accolades it deserves//
We’ve all got similar tales we can call on, Bobbi. The NHS (or at least a vigilant ENT consultant) saved my life when I was just twenty-one. Unfortunately such episodes do not disguise the overwhelming areas of failure to provide a readily accessible, efficient health service. The vast majority of people do not need their lives saved - they need their hips and knees replaced and their boils lanced.
The NHS is a complete mess. It has been strangled by its own bureaucracy and inefficiency and you don’t have to look far to see this. It cannot be sustained by public money alone and some other form of funding must be introduced. Unfortunately as soon as this is mentioned, up go the cries of “privatisation” and other such nonsense. Well I’ve got news: the NHS is completely unsustainable in its current form, so you can either have a revised model, which will almost certainly see some people putting their hands in their pockets, or you can carry on with the ongoing decline in the country’s health service.
Many people are having to pay for private treatment now anyway because the timescales to get debilitating conditions fixed on the NHS are not tolerable. Time is ripe to ditch the “free for all at point of delivery” mantra and instead inject some realism into the topic. I’m not suggesting you must produce a credit card before you are shovelled off the pavement (which is what some people immediately cry when any alternative scheme is suggested) but something has to give. Unfortunately I cannot see any political party willing the grab the bull by the horns so the end result will be those who can pay for treatment doing so, whilst those who cannot continue to suffer.
i don't actually know where the phrase "envy of the world" comes from... who said it originally? i only ever hear it being used by people pointing out that it isn't the envy of the world!
the NHS is obviously in need of reform. it is structurally obsessed with hospitals and over the last 12 years has more or less ditched primary care... people only get to hospital when things are bad and without primary care things get very bad indeed so hospitals struggle to cope despite getting most of the funding
the NHS is obviously in need of reform. it is structurally obsessed with hospitals and over the last 12 years has more or less ditched primary care... people only get to hospital when things are bad and without primary care things get very bad indeed so hospitals struggle to cope despite getting most of the funding
My guess is most of you weren't around pre NHS..when seeing the GP meant a bill.
I was 10 yrs old when the NHS came in..prior to that, each Saturday my younger sister and I were given a payment card and half a crown (12.6p) to take to a nearby address where the gentleman recorded the payment on the card..it was to pay off the Doctors bill. With 2 small children and Mum on her own, Dad out in the dessert, during ww2 it was a struggle. I know it's not full filling
I was 10 yrs old when the NHS came in..prior to that, each Saturday my younger sister and I were given a payment card and half a crown (12.6p) to take to a nearby address where the gentleman recorded the payment on the card..it was to pay off the Doctors bill. With 2 small children and Mum on her own, Dad out in the dessert, during ww2 it was a struggle. I know it's not full filling
Douglas when I found I couldn't cut my own toe nails any more I booked an appointment with a travelling Podiatrist. I didn't know such a person existed until then! He charges £35.00 which is good considering the price of petrol, the 40 minutes spent at my flat and the equipment he has purchased to do the job. And I'm not talking about a pair of scissors;-)
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