Should Weight Loss Jabs Be Made Available On The Nhs?

[sp1814]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/15/nhs-to-offer-weight-loss-jabs-via-apps-that-help-patients-with-obesity

You could argue that if patients could lose weight there are less chances of them ending up in hospital with diseases linked to obesity.

However surely any prescribed medication could only be short term? A course of pills won't treat the underlying course.

[youngmafbog]

I eat very little junk food.

And I am a fat ***.

[Ellipsis]

Would you consider a supermarket loaf of bread to be "junk food"? What about supermarket ice cream? What about a jar of a famous brand of mayonnaise?

I don't like saying "junk food" because, to me, that's fast food like burgers etc. I like "industrially produced edible substance" or "ultraprocessed food", which is what we're really getting at. But apparently they're all the same - a jar of mayo is "junk"/"ultraprocessed"/"an industrially produced edible substance".

[pastafreak]

That's why I've gone back to making my own mayo.

[Ellipsis]

Excellent! I've been trying - it's difficult without a food processor ...

[ToraToraTora]

I thought the poor were starving?

[youngmafbog]

Only junk food in food banks obviously TTT.

[ToraToraTora]

Funny how they always seem to have an Iphone and fag on in the queue !

[pastafreak]

Ellipsis...have you got a stick blender...and a jug or jar that it will *just* fit in?
Google speedy mayo...or I can post it over in recipes on food and drink.
Sorry for digression folks.

[pastafreak]

TTT...just give it a rest for once...and ymf too.

[webbo3]

Eat healthy and move about a bit.

[Ellipsis]

Thanks, pasta - do you mean this one:

https://www.langbein.com/recipes/speedy-mayo

And do you use extra virgin olive oil for the "neutral oil"?

[pastafreak]

This is the one I used when I first discovered it... now, for each large egg, I use 250ml olive oil...the milder one. 1.5tsp each grain or Dijon mustard and Apple cider vinegar plus salt and pepper. Maybe some chives and a clove of garlic. All together then the wand.
30-45 seconds blitz and it's done.

[jno]

1.5tsp each grain or Dijon mustard and Apple cider vinegar plus salt and pepper should certainly be made available on the NHS...

[ToraToraTora]

17:27, what's up love? feeling conned? There is no one poor in the UK and certainly no one starving.

[tomus42]

If giving weight loss jabs to everyone results in fewer people needing costlier obesity related treatment on the NHS then it's a no brainer. Ie healthier people plus cost saving.

Any pompous moralising about self discipline etc etc is irrelevant.

[barry1010]

The problem is these jabs and drugs are likely to be life long, and the costs mount up

[Ellipsis]

Thanks, pasta, I'll give that a go and let you know the results!

[Schlomo78]

Unfortunately these jabs are quite risky - maybe not if you are diabetic, and/ or morbidly obese - as the risks offset the potential risks of what could happen - but they do have serious side effects involved that nobody knows about yet in the long term. You basically agree to take them at your own risk, and studies in rats (yes, I know not humans) have shown increased risk of thyroid cancer etc. The risk of pancreatitis is huge, and the risk factors of pancreatic cancer again, double if you have had acute pancreatitis. I had a friend who was taking Saxenda to lose weight - bought online, via an online prescription. After 4 months she was hospitalised with acute pancreatitis, her liver enzymes in the toilet, and told she couldn't drink alcohol ever again, and had to adapt her diet accordingly. There is a place for these drugs, but only where the risks are offset accordingly.

[ToraToraTora]

ellipsis: "There are many different reasons why people gain weight. " - no there is only one reason they consume more calories than they expend, end of.

[pastafreak]

Ah, the expert has spoken.
Now would you care to explain *why* they might "consume more calories than they expend,..."