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> If there has been mismanagement of the maintenance budgets, or evidence of deliberate misdirection of funds, then I repeat. Prosecutions should follow.
Of the 104 schools that have been fully or partially closed in England, do you have any evidence that there is mismanagement or deliberate misdirection?
Because my understanding isn't that those 104 schools have mismanaged or misdirected funds, it's that they haven't had the funds ... the funds that were needed to stop this problem happening.
Of the 104 schools that have been fully or partially closed in England, do you have any evidence that there is mismanagement or deliberate misdirection?
Because my understanding isn't that those 104 schools have mismanaged or misdirected funds, it's that they haven't had the funds ... the funds that were needed to stop this problem happening.
//Of the 104 schools that have been fully or partially closed in England, do you have any evidence that there is mismanagement or deliberate misdirection?//
Are you poorly? I have no responsibility for what happens in schools or authority to gather the necessary information. I am suggesting that the Government, who does have the authority, asks for the evidence and receipts of any work carried out or assessed as necessary. This can then be compared to the budget that the schools and Local Education Authorities received and the two compared. Do you have any objection to that and if so why?
Are you poorly? I have no responsibility for what happens in schools or authority to gather the necessary information. I am suggesting that the Government, who does have the authority, asks for the evidence and receipts of any work carried out or assessed as necessary. This can then be compared to the budget that the schools and Local Education Authorities received and the two compared. Do you have any objection to that and if so why?
Further to that TTT, If I did have the "authority" there would be independent auditors going through the books at Myton School, in Warwick, as we speak They think it was a good idea to grant politically biased interviews to an eager BBC "correspondent and may not like a nit comb through the financial records.
> Are you poorly?
Are you? You seem to be creating problems out of thin air, rather than addressing the actual issue, which is that 104 schools are partially or fully closed. Classic misdirection. Just focus on the facts, eh?
> I am suggesting that the Government, who does have the authority, asks for the evidence and receipts of any work carried out or assessed as necessary.
How do you know that it hasn't done so already?
Are you? You seem to be creating problems out of thin air, rather than addressing the actual issue, which is that 104 schools are partially or fully closed. Classic misdirection. Just focus on the facts, eh?
> I am suggesting that the Government, who does have the authority, asks for the evidence and receipts of any work carried out or assessed as necessary.
How do you know that it hasn't done so already?
//which is that 104 schools are partially or fully closed. Classic misdirection. //
Of course they are. Who wants to go back to school with a bunch of truculent kids when the sun is shining? This is not an overnight emergency it is an overnight reaction. Convenient or what? The teachers and school staff all took to working from beach when the panicdemic was the new Conservative "issue" and would very much prefer to go back to that on full pay and all expenses paid anyway if you don't mind. Strange that the only "buildings" closed because they are unsafe are the schools whilst thousands of other buildings, some multi storey, remain open and presumably therefor safe. Another confected "outrage" with the cat's chorus of over emotional socialists and self regarding squealing the loudest as the beep beep see conducts the discordant band.
Of course they are. Who wants to go back to school with a bunch of truculent kids when the sun is shining? This is not an overnight emergency it is an overnight reaction. Convenient or what? The teachers and school staff all took to working from beach when the panicdemic was the new Conservative "issue" and would very much prefer to go back to that on full pay and all expenses paid anyway if you don't mind. Strange that the only "buildings" closed because they are unsafe are the schools whilst thousands of other buildings, some multi storey, remain open and presumably therefor safe. Another confected "outrage" with the cat's chorus of over emotional socialists and self regarding squealing the loudest as the beep beep see conducts the discordant band.
I haven't read through this long thread, but my response is to say it isn't anybody's FAULT.
It was a new at the time experimental method of building, which unfortunately did not do what was hoped because it in certain circumstances after 30 years deteriorated and it will have to, and will be, replaced just like brown asbestos was.
Get over it & stop trying to play childish party politics.
It was a new at the time experimental method of building, which unfortunately did not do what was hoped because it in certain circumstances after 30 years deteriorated and it will have to, and will be, replaced just like brown asbestos was.
Get over it & stop trying to play childish party politics.
Imagine you purchased a house, which used a construction method which while accepted at the time of build, has more recently come into question, especially if not properly maintained.
The seller of the property advised you at the time of sale that the house had this potential issue, and that they had done nothing about it. Your survey of the property (at the time of purchase) also found this potential issue and advised that you should have the building material regularly inspected to ensure it remained safe, which you failed to do.
One day the roof of your house collapses due to the above material issue, seriously injuring a visitor in the property.
If you think that the person who suffered serious injury should sue the original house builder or the person who sold you the house, (or as Khandro says, it isn’t anyone’s fault so they can’t sue anyone) – you probably think that this current Raac concrete fiasco has nothing to do with the current government.
The seller of the property advised you at the time of sale that the house had this potential issue, and that they had done nothing about it. Your survey of the property (at the time of purchase) also found this potential issue and advised that you should have the building material regularly inspected to ensure it remained safe, which you failed to do.
One day the roof of your house collapses due to the above material issue, seriously injuring a visitor in the property.
If you think that the person who suffered serious injury should sue the original house builder or the person who sold you the house, (or as Khandro says, it isn’t anyone’s fault so they can’t sue anyone) – you probably think that this current Raac concrete fiasco has nothing to do with the current government.
Do the hospital authorities or the government own the buildings ?
In any case the thing under discussion is who is responsible for the current crisis, which I consider to be those responsible for allowing shoddy materials to be used, and those that took advantage of the lax regs to do so on tbe cheap. (Probably how they became the lowest bidder I'd guess.)
Insufficient maintenance is a factor, but if it hadn't needed inappropriately early maintenance then it wouldn't have been a factor.
So the route cause of any premature problem is with those involved in slinging it up. Whoever was responsible for maintenance merely waited until the last moment to see who blinked first. Which will be the taxpayer as usual.
In any case the thing under discussion is who is responsible for the current crisis, which I consider to be those responsible for allowing shoddy materials to be used, and those that took advantage of the lax regs to do so on tbe cheap. (Probably how they became the lowest bidder I'd guess.)
Insufficient maintenance is a factor, but if it hadn't needed inappropriately early maintenance then it wouldn't have been a factor.
So the route cause of any premature problem is with those involved in slinging it up. Whoever was responsible for maintenance merely waited until the last moment to see who blinked first. Which will be the taxpayer as usual.
Throughout history man has experimented with methods and materials, that is how mechanisation and architecture has advanced.
Some methods and materials failed and lessons were learned and not used again, such as;
'The Cathedral of Saint Peter of Beauvais (French: Cathédrale Saint-Pierre de Beauvais) in the northern town of Beauvais, Oise, France.
The cathedral is in the Gothic style, and consists of a 13th-century choir, with an apse and seven polygonal apsidal chapels reached by an ambulatory, joined to a 16th-century transept.
It has the highest Gothic choir in the world: 48.5 metres (159 ft) under vault.[4] From 1569 to 1573 the cathedral of Beauvais was, with its tower of 153 m (502 ft), the highest human construction of the world. Its designers had the ambition to make it the largest gothic cathedral in France ahead of Amiens. Victim of two collapses, one in the 13th century, the other in the 16th century, it remains unfinished today; only the choir and the transept have been built.'
It was a noble attempt to do something heroic in architecture which didn't succeed - no one was at 'fault'.
Still worth a visit, - I once lived near there.
Some methods and materials failed and lessons were learned and not used again, such as;
'The Cathedral of Saint Peter of Beauvais (French: Cathédrale Saint-Pierre de Beauvais) in the northern town of Beauvais, Oise, France.
The cathedral is in the Gothic style, and consists of a 13th-century choir, with an apse and seven polygonal apsidal chapels reached by an ambulatory, joined to a 16th-century transept.
It has the highest Gothic choir in the world: 48.5 metres (159 ft) under vault.[4] From 1569 to 1573 the cathedral of Beauvais was, with its tower of 153 m (502 ft), the highest human construction of the world. Its designers had the ambition to make it the largest gothic cathedral in France ahead of Amiens. Victim of two collapses, one in the 13th century, the other in the 16th century, it remains unfinished today; only the choir and the transept have been built.'
It was a noble attempt to do something heroic in architecture which didn't succeed - no one was at 'fault'.
Still worth a visit, - I once lived near there.
evidence of deliberate misdirection of funds, then I repeat. Prosecutions should follow. (A)
are you poorly?
love it. summer diarrhoea or something
dear reader you will notice statement A ( er above) is an outrageous starting point - add in "and where little children have been tortured in school basments..."
and within a few lines, he refutes it ( there is no mismgt and as far as he can hear, no tortured children)
thank god:problem as stated
are you poorly?
love it. summer diarrhoea or something
dear reader you will notice statement A ( er above) is an outrageous starting point - add in "and where little children have been tortured in school basments..."
and within a few lines, he refutes it ( there is no mismgt and as far as he can hear, no tortured children)
thank god:problem as stated
Do the hospital authorities or the government own the buildings ?
very very sore point
Khandro - cathedrale de sainte lu lu - god he will have the screaming mods after him for that....using French you know, ow you say? is un-mimsy in the extreme
a lot of hospitals were charitable free holds
BUT
chancellor brown allowed 1997 the freehold to be ceded to construction companies as 20 y leases, if they built hospitals....(PFI initiative)
you were told at the time and elected the govt what did it. You were told.
Brown, now Lord Brown later said it was a worse idea than he first thought.....Oh that is OK then.
very very sore point
Khandro - cathedrale de sainte lu lu - god he will have the screaming mods after him for that....using French you know, ow you say? is un-mimsy in the extreme
a lot of hospitals were charitable free holds
BUT
chancellor brown allowed 1997 the freehold to be ceded to construction companies as 20 y leases, if they built hospitals....(PFI initiative)
you were told at the time and elected the govt what did it. You were told.
Brown, now Lord Brown later said it was a worse idea than he first thought.....Oh that is OK then.
You've not got to worry about the hospitals, Boris built 20 new ones, Oh sorry, painted 20 hospitals. Now they say they are going to build x amount of ( new schools)once the interviewer got stuck into some government idiot, errrrr, yes we are going to refurbish. They've all got the same problem that Boris had, they don't know the difference between NEW, and refurbished. I bought some new seat covers for my car, now I have a new car? :0)))))
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