Amazed, But Somehow Not Surprised

[Khandro]

How about you?

'According to a new poll, only one in three young people knows what Remembrance Day commemorates.

Over 1,000 British adults aged 16-75 were polled on which war was commemorated on Remembrance Day.

The Ipsos survey found that only 33 per cent of millennials and Gen Z, born between 1981-1996, and 1997-2012, respectively, know which event is remembered on Nov 11.

Historian and Tory peer Lord Roberts said the poll was a “damning indictment of history teaching in our schools”.

[ichkeria]

I'd struggle to answer a question that said "which event ..."

Without knowing what the actual question was I'd be reluctant to draw any conclusions. Both schools ours has been to have Remembrance Day commemorations. But the history? Well that's a separate issue.

[jourdain2]

My History lessons stopped at the 'Race to the Sun'.  But, when I was teaching and sort of morphed into teaching History alongside English and Art, the curriculum spent extensive time on WW1, the build up to WW2 and a few specific areas - concentration camps  etc..  A general run-through.  I  stopped in 2002 - so something must have gone badly wrong since.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // 19:03, ok then the curriculim needs correcting. //

Then direct your ignorant bigotry towards the government who design and implement it, and not towards hardworking teachers who are contractually compelled to deliver it.

[ToraToraTora]

generations of trobiscite "officials" got us here not politicians. Teachers are their tools, politicians their patsies.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // generations of trobiscite "officials" got us here not politicians. Teachers are their tools, politicians their patsies. //

I wish I lived in your world, where everything is black and white and nursery-playground-simple, instead of the real world I have to live in, where such a basic (if completely uninformed) analysis of what's wrong with it, simply doesn't begin to address the different issues and problems that are just not that simple.

Education is only one - but try talking to a teacher - any teacher, and listen to what they tell you about how they work, and what they have to do, not because they are 'tools', but because they are doing their best under seriously difficult circumstances on a multitude of levels.

[New Judge]

Don't blame all deficiencies onto the National Curriculum.

I was taught nothing about WW1 or WW2 at school. But before I left I knew quite a bit about both. That was because, although my school didn't teach me everything I know, it taught me to be inquisitive and how to learn.

I think that's what's lacking in schools and teachers do not need a curriculum to teach their charges that.

 

 

 

[ToraToraTora]

Well I do have a lot of sympathy for the modern teacher. Now they have to try and teach in the face of all the modern Trobbery thrust upon them. They have to do that without any methods of control against kids that know that and moronic parents who can't beleive their little darlings are anything less than angels. Once again though all the final result of generations of trobiscite officials.

[wolf63]

I can rememberalmost nothing of the history taught to me in school.

what I do remember is being told that WWI was to be the "war to end all war".  But it wasn't and it didn't.

remembering the dead is important, but we have learned nothing from their sacrifice and wars continue.

[Canary42]

//// . . . it taught me [...] how to learn.

I think that's what's lacking in schools ////

That's a very good point NJ, an issue which was raised at the beginning of my first Open University degree way back in the 70s.  A significant part of the opening Unit went into the subject of how to learn at some depth and was extremely useful in enabling me to continue my OU studies (successfully I might add).

[tomus42]

//19:03, ok then the curriculim needs correcting.//

Just remind us how long the Tories have been in power ttt.

[THECORBYLOON]

The question, options and percentages are shown here for Q3.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2023-11/Ipsos%20November%202023%20Remembrance%20Day%20poll_101123_PUBLIC.pdf

[Untitled]

i do not believe the figures in the OP are accurate... i do wonder why khandro has not shared his source because he does like to use some very dodgy ones sometimes

[Khandro]

Untitled  //i do not believe the figures in the OP are accurate... i do wonder why khandro has not shared his source because he does like to use some very dodgy ones sometimes//

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/11/young-people-remembrance-day-first-world-war-survey/

[10ClarionSt]

I was speaking to a friend of mine who is a veteran of the Arctic Convoys and was 100 yrs old a couple of weeks ago. He said that he believed Remembrance Sunday would eventually peter out and become just a day for a remembrance service at Westminster Abbey. 

On the way back from London, I stopped at a local supermarket and the young assistant very politely asked if I'd had a nice day. I said I was on my way home from the Remembrance Service at The Cenotaph in London. He said he didn't know what that was. hey ho!

[NoseyNose]

I started primary school in 1955,and we weren't taught anything about Rememberance Day.

It just sudenly happened in November,and I and my friends were a bit mystified as to what it was.

When we asked about it,we were told to shut up and not ask so many questions.

A general rule of many parents in those days!

[NoseyNose]

"Remembrance" apologies for the typo.

[naomi24]

I wonder if much of young people's ignorance of the world and its history results from a lack of communication within the home.  Taking meals together around the table every day used to be the norm in most households and that gave families the opportunity to talk together but I don't think that happens much now.  Mums and dads with busy jobs and very often busy social lives, kids either in education or with their heads stuck in their computers and phones - do people in general actually talk about anything much other than television, celebrity, and other superficial day to day interests any more?   

[bhg481]

I don't remember my Primary/Junior school doing anything but, at morning assembly, my Grammar school head always read out the names of old boys who had been killed in the two wars.

Isn't it the job of parents to teach their children the significance of Remembrance Day? We seem to expect teachers to teach our children everything nowadays; things which parents used to teach us.

[roopower]

I'm amazed as all the schools I have worked in have done lessons and projects around armistice day and kept the two minute silence, if an appropriate day. Perhaps there was a gap when it wasn't taught. 

[10ClarionSt]

bhg @ 10.08:

"Isn't it the job of parents to teach their children the significance of Remembrance Day?"

I am one of the Baby Boomers. My dad was in the Royal Navy for the whole of WW2, part of his service being on the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle. Whenever I asked him about the war, he would never talk about it. And he was always very scornful of Remembrance Sunday, but back then, the British Legion wasn't the Royal British Legion. So, lots of what I learned came from other sources, but not my veteran dad. And British history of any kind was never taught to us throughout my school years.