Mood In Conservative Party Bleak

[Roobaba]

Mood in Conservative Party bleak after Jenrick's resignation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67644952

So things are not looking too good then..?

[youngmafbog]

It will be the same here, pious Ellwood is mine and he had 50% of the votes last time.

But dont not vote, make the effort to go down and destry your paper by writing 'None of the above' on it.  Register your dissatisfaction or nothing will ever change.

[naomi24]

//Register your dissatisfaction or nothing will ever change.//

 

I agree.  My vote won't make any difference to the result where I live either - but a vote elsewhere will send a message.  I will vote Reform - and if there's no Reform candidate here I'll vote for an Independent.  

[ichkeria]

The reason I say Brexit has wrecked the Conservative Party is largely because in other to get it through they had to send for Boris Johnson to do it: I've always said that probably only a rogue could have pulled it off: I believe Jeremy Hunt would also have won a majority, probably smaller, which would have been enough for Parliament to vote us out, simply because of Brexit fatigue: but Johnson sealed the deal beforehand (helped by being up against a disastrous opponent in Corbyn) by purging the party of Europhiles and ensuring that there would be a healthy Eurosceptic presence in Parliament. The "rogue" bit  was to unexpectedly get a deal before we left and I'm not sure how that could otherwise have been achieved. 
However the party and the  country was then saddled with same rogue and his cohorts to govern for 5 years. And that they have manifestly failed to do effectively.

[naomi24]

//However the party and the  country was then saddled with same rogue and his cohorts to govern for 5 years. //

 

The country isn't saddled with him - or his cohorts.  The people governing this country now are the very people who stabbed him in the back.  

[ichkeria]

@11.34:

But that just makes my point: where is he now? Do you think he was ousted at the first call? He got multiple chances, seemed to have ridden several storms, then Pincher happened and it was one straw too many. So now one of the reasons for the infighting is the aftermath of the dethroning, regardless of whether you support him or not. He had an 80 seat majority. And he blew it.

[Peter Pedant]

In 'Power' ( Netflix) Tarmy goes in for "stabby stabby"

and who are we thinking of doing a stabby stabby on today

Rishi or Boris or the two ?

[Peter Pedant]

by purging the party of Europhiles and ensuring that there would be a healthy Eurosceptic presence in Parliament.

yup commissioners went into local tory parties and turfed any remainer candidates out

[Peter Pedant]

o god we are saddled with classic Boris bullshot - turn on your telly and get it full in the face ! ( now, Boris gives er 'evidence')

[nicebloke1]

Its been so long since we've had such good comedy on TV. :0)

[Countrylover]

I'm with Naomi at 10.50.

We've been let down by the Tory Party with what happened to Boris and party gate etc.  I'm still thankful Brexit was achieved.

If I vote for anybody it will be an independent with a genuine interest in the area I live.

And who is Shazza? Starmer and the fish wife Angela would be a total disaster.

 

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[Countrylover]

Sorry.  Naomi at 10.18

[naomi24]

Ich, he's been in the stocks with rotten tomatoes being hurled at him since before he became PM.  People prattle on about him being 'on trial' but his 'trial' began a long time ago.  No stone has been left unturned in the effort to destroy him - and all of it because Remainers refused to accept the result of democratic referendum.   When he delivered a stonking majority for the Conservatives, it wasn't because all those regular Labour voters in the north suddenly changed their political allegiance - in fact I know people who held their noses as they put their cross next to a Conservative candidate.  They voted for Boris because he was a leader in the true sense of the word - he rallied people - and he was the only man who had the guts to deliver what the majority in this country voted for.   Whatever the fate of this Tory government, and I don’t think it will be a happy one, it will be of their own making.  They are the author of their own misfortune.  They had every opportunity to do the right thing but they didn't and they have let this country, the electorate, and democracy down badly.  I'm not a violent person but when I saw Rishi Sunak yesterday gazing adoringly at cowardly Cameron I could have happily … what is it 'they' say?  Oh yes.  Punched his lights out.  If anyone 'blew it' they did.  Suffice to say they won’t be getting my vote.

[ichkeria]

Boris Johnson has many good points, and as I say, getting a deal, albeit when minds were probably much more concentrated anyway, was something few probably could have achieved. But it should have stopped there, because he was a hopeless PM: he was the man with the power, the PM with the big majority: his constant dishonest briefs to his ministers was something they were no longer prepared to put up with, You would not tolerate being lied to constantly, why should they have?

[Countrylover]

I agree Naomi.  All politicians lie.  It's just that  Boris' lies were avidly being searched for and eagerly reported by the left wing media.   

[naomi24]

Ich, He was also the man who found himself presented with an unprecedented situation in the midst of it all - Covid - and he dealt with it, so no, he wasn't a hopeless PM.  His enemies were - and are -  many, they infested both sides of the House and came from all walks of life.  He was targeted from the off and frankly, I think this government should be ashamed of itself.  This is not what they were elected to do.

[jno]

I'm not impressed by Starmer but I'll be voting for my Labour MP precisely for voting against him in the matter of calling for a ceasefire.

[youngmafbog]

For me, and others I know, Johnsons big problems started when he began listening to his liberal green new wife.  He was elected, not her.

[ichkeria]

Yes he certainly got thrown a curveball by Covid there is no doubt, and also Ukraine, and he dealt with the former better than many give him credit for and outstandlingly well with the latter. It's the (right wing) people who worked with him who found him impossible to deal with ultimately.

As for the "Red wall" voters, well, you are right many would have held their noses and Johonson admitted as much in an (surprisingly) honest avowal in a speech just after the 2019 election. Shrewdly aware, maybe, that that was as good as it got. They wanted the thing they voted for in a referendum done, but that's yesterday's news now.

[Untitled]

Boris Johnson is not much of a "leader"... everyone who works with him it seems ends up feeling betrayed and deceived. 
 

i don't think his majority had much to do with him being a great leader so much as jeremy corbyn being very unpopular. 

[nicebloke1]

The Boris lovers still don't get it. I'll say what I've always said. What done Boris, was Boris, no one else, and you can  keep tarting it up anyhow you like and trying to blame others.

When you lie AND cheat the public like he did, then no amount of crawling like a sh** house rat, or sorry sorry sorry will make any difference, your done, cap in hand or not.

What was then his biggest mistake? Turning number 10 into a social club, when everyone else was locked down and forbbiden to go to their social club. That social club at number 10 was also used to snogg and cuddle your new girl friend, if you happen to have one, if not you could join the garden party and have a knees up, by a written invite.

 And  like I've also said before Boris left a whole load of crap behind him, and a great big mess thats imposible to ever clean up.