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Why Are There Demonstrators Outside The Covid Enquiry?
What are they wanting? It was an infectious virus that could be dangerous to the old and the vulnerable. People were obviously going to die, we can't save everyone. There's no point in moaning about it, it was inevitable. Accept it and move on.
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"The mistake was locking down at all and trashing the economy by creating inflation by printing £400bn."x2It is clear (from what little information of any use that has been revealed by the enquiry, beyond reams of idle tittle tattle) that there was no sound scientific basis upon which to order a lockdown. China did it and the rest of the world followed.
17:57 Thu 07th Dec 2023
Are you saying you want Boris and Nicola to be punished for their crimes in enforcing lockdowns? I think you'll be disappointed. There is no way the review will conclude they overreacted; it's far more likely the review will conclude they should have locked down earlier and should have been more prepared and decisive.
"Of course a lockdown was necessary."
Why?
To the overwhelming majority of the population, Covid posed no great threat. Yet they were treated in exactly the same way as the small minority (the very elderly and those with medical conditions which make them vulnerable). Many of the businesses in which they worked were forcibly closed, they were prevented from leaving their homes unless they had a "reasonable excuse", they were prevented from socialising with others.
It seems that alternatives to this strategy - such as targetted protection for the old and vulnerable - were not even considered.
It took China - the origin of all this - almost three years and the threat of widespread civil unrest to come to the conclusion that governments could not prevent the spread of an airborne virus. This is something that has been known almost since viruses were first properly identified. Yet the UK government- along with those of the rest of the world - believed they could.
"...the first things i want done is to see both Johnson and Sturgeon punished for their crimes
You will be disappointed.
I understand why they came to some of the decisions they did. They were overwhelmingly influenced by scientists who predicted all manner of blood-curdling outcomes and they paid scant regard to much else. They were guilty of poor judgement, but they were not criminals.
people use the word "vulnerable" as if it is referring to a few emaciated chemotherapy patients or something but covid at least in the early waves was a much more dangerous disease to people with a number of very common health conditions... the obese were vulnerable (and britain has very high obesity) as were people with asthma, diabetes, or immune disorders like HIV... so the sneaky phrase "elderly and vulnerable" in fact included huge swathes of the population. the economic damage of simply allowing such a big chunk of the workforce to get infected with a disease dangerous to them would also be quite considerable
there is also some evidence now that covid can cause lasting damage to the immune system
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which is particularly worrying when you consider that it is possible to get reinfected... if that's true then there is a possibility that those young and healthy who shrug it off now will continue to get reinfected for decades to come and suffer severe damage to their immune systems.
“….the economic damage of simply allowing such a big chunk of the workforce to get infected with a disease dangerous to them would also be quite considerable”
You say that as if anyone could prevent it. The only way for that section of the population to avoid infection is to avoid all contact with all other human beings …. For the rest of their lives. They can certainly reduce the risk by avoiding contact with others for as long as they can and by wearing an FFP3 grade face covering (worn and treated as directed by the manufacturers). I would suggest that is neither desirable nor sustainable for any length of time.
“…which is particularly worrying when you consider that it is possible to get reinfected... if that's true then there is a possibility that those young and healthy who shrug it off now will continue to get reinfected for decades to come and suffer severe damage to their immune systems.”
Not only is it a possibility. It’s almost a stone cold certainty. The SARS-Cov-2 virus is now endemic throughout the world. All of us will be exposed to it many times during our lives. So what do you propose is done to address that (bearing in mind the above)?
"but ultimately wrong. The elderly and vulnerable was easily understood without your spin."
It isn't wrong... all those groups i mentioned were vulnerable to covid. It was very well publicised at the time so I'm not sure how you missed it. unfortunately "young and healthy" does not describe the average brit - we have an extremely large elderly population and about a quarter of adults are obese. so the "vulnerable and elderly" covered an absolutely massive swathe of the population.
"So what do you propose is done to address that (bearing in mind the above)?"
i don't know. i think it makes sense to mandate masks on public transport but that obviously isn't enough. i do think the prospect of an airborne virus that does the kind of immune system damage previously seen with HIV is a very alarming one and needs to be treated like a serious threat until it is ruled out... the prospect of a whole generation becoming immunocompromised is a nightmare scenario.
"... i think it makes sense to mandate masks on public transport but that obviously isn't enough."
Masks are ineffective unless they are of the FFP2 or FFP3 variety and only then if they are worn and treated in accordance with the manufacurer's instructions.
But let's leave that aside. If they were effective, are you suggesting that their use on public transport should be mandated now? It is likely that there are few people in the country who have not already been exposed to the Covid virus, probablty multiple times. So what's the point. And what happens when they get off the bus and go into a shop, a rerstaurant or a cinema (or anywhere else for that matter)?
The whole mask thing is another ridiculous collective self delusion. Yes if everyone had proper medical grade FFPn masks and used them properly then perhaps they'd help but in practice people had all manner of assorted rags slapped across their faces just to sate the zealots. I still see people walking about with them now! idiots.
It actually isn't true that masks need to be ffp2 or 3 in order to reduce transmission... even basic cloth masks do in fact inhibit the spread of airborne particles although not of course to the same degree. i do think it makes sense to require them on public transport yes. as i posted above there is evidence to suggest it is possible that covid does lasting damage to the immune system which means high reinfection could lead to millions becoming immunocompromised. that is a disaster.
The whole mask thing is another ridiculous collective self delusion.
yeah Jean Lumley showed masks didnt work in 1959
I was amazed that no one on SAGE knew that
so why quarrel about the yah-de-yah surrounding it? I have no idea
Even Leddy Hallett has realised that asking men if they really wrote: " the cabinet and Boris in particular, are a load of frackwits" - - answer - yes
is a bit of a waste of time
No one understands the underlying science so God knows what we are going to get
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