Are Jews Safe In The Uk/West These Days?

[youngmafbog]

There has been a gowing number of very serious threats agaisnt Jews lately, are they safe now or will some be forced to move?

It's quite worrying really.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12867587/shocking-moment-man-threatens-kill-jews-north-london.html

[sandyRoe]

I think we're talking at cross purposes, Naomi24.

To make myself clear, if there are threats to the Jewish community in the UK they are more likely to come from the racists on the right rather than from left-wingers.

[naomi24]

That's debateable, sandyRoe.  The point is Hamas et al is not about the left or right wing politics of the west.  It's not something they embrace.  They couldn't give a monkeys about what you want or what I want and frankly they regard western supporters as nothing more than useful idiots.  They have no respect for you or for anyone else.  A better world for them is an Islamic one - and that is the only thing they care about.  For them it is paramount.

[Ellipsis]

> youngmafbog

> 15:54 Fri 15th Dec 2023

> You are correct, in this case I doubt they are [Muslims], more like ULT-RIGHT thugs. 

That's what the OP is about ... far right thugs who are abusing Jews in North London, calling words like "Heil Hitler".

It is incredible how some people will not say a single thing about that ...

It's almost like it's fine if one sort of extremist is acceptable to abuse Jews and another sort of extremist is not, and they would rather shoehorn the latter into the discussion than discuss about the former ...

[Peter Pedant]

Oh god this post goes all over the place

They couldn't give a monkeys about what you want or what I want and frankly they regard western supporters as nothing more than useful idiots.

Hamas as far as I can tell have NO western support: unless you count " four thousand dead children in Gaza are four thousand too many" as supporting hamas

some people do - but hey - this is AB on a saturday

[Peter Pedant]

uktra right thugs in London harassing jews

so I have to  go out on to the streets and say it is wrong? I dont demonstrate about vioence, rape or child abuse

but I still think / know it  is wrong

[naomi24]

//It's almost like it's fine if one sort of extremist is acceptable to abuse Jews and another sort of extremist is not//

 

That's in your head, ellipsis.  I haven't read it here.

[Ellipsis]

It's what you haven't said, Naomi. In all you've written on this thread, you haven't written one word about the people in the link, abusers or abused.

Instead, you've written about people who aren't in the link, but fit your narrative.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, I don't support attacks on Jewish people at all but I saw the man described as a thug, that's all, although I did spot this.

 

//It comes after a pro-Palestinian mob holding racist banners claimed the Labour Party was 'Zionist' and 'racist'//

 

Pro-Palestinian I presume is 'left' wing - and so is Labour - which, since Labour is coming in for some criticism in this instance, is all very confusing.  Carried by left wingers, 'Racist' banners I take to mean those bearing anti-semetic sentiments.  Did you want to run that blame game thing past me again?

[Khandro]

Israel v. Hamas  =  Civilization v. Barbarians.

Simple!

[sandyRoe]

Some civilization that's wading through the blood of 20,000 innocents  in order to confront Hamas fighters.

[naomi24]

Hamas would be wading through rather a lot more if they had their way.  We saw a sample of their handiwork on 7 October - with no war involved.

[sandyRoe]

A 70 year subjugation is bound to produce some sparks of resistance.

[naomi24]

'Some sparks of resentment'?  That's your justification for mass slaughter in cold blood, and the abduction of men, women and children as hostages, sandyRoe?

 

[Khandro]

SR In what way are the Arab population of the Palestine region subjugated ? 

In 1947 they had a similar opportunity as the Jews, the Jews made a thriving democratic country out of their land, and the Arabs turned theirs into a  s. hole full of hate.   

[sandyRoe]

The events of Oct 7th pale into insignificant when compared to the murderous activities of Israel over it's brief existence.

[naomi24]

sandyRoe, if Hamas and those like them have their way every conflict in the history of the world will pale into insignificance.  What is it you don't understand about that?

[sandyRoe]

In the 1940s Palestinians owned more than 90% of the land and made up more than 60% of the population.

I wonder how that changed.

[naomi24]

The world has changed.  

[Khandro]

SR, You seem to have a simplistic view of what constitutes Palestine and  a  'Palestinian'. There never was a Palestinian nation nor a language for that matter.

Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, Christians & more. All groups had historic & religious ties to the area.

Palestine was a region like say, the sahara is a region.

Go figure, as they say.  

 

[Peter Pedant]

Palestine was a region - nope - Briitish Mandate  estabished after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire - er another 'region'.

That's your justification for mass slaughter in cold blood,

we arent talking about the 4000 dead children, but of the dead of Oct 7 th - arent we? thought so...

I think I am the only one here saying the mass slaughter of 4000 in cold blood is an obvious war crime