When Thousands Are Killed In A Conflict The Numbers Soon Mask The Human Tragedies. Here Are Two Of The Latest Victims If The Idf.

[sandyRoe]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231216-mother-daughter-killed-by-israel-army-in-gaza-church-grounds-patriarchate

[sandyRoe]

Naomi24,

There are now more than three quarters if a million Jewish 'settlers' in the West Bank.  

And what would Israeli care about world opinion when they have the backing of the USA?

As for the mosque, they'd probably bulldoze it.

[naomi24]

//The fallout in the Arab world would be unthinkable.//

 

I'll add to that.  And not just in the Arab world - but in the entire Muslim world.

[naomi24]

You say that without thinking of the reaslity of the consequences, sandyRoe.  

[sandyRoe]

But what could they do?

Israel is a nuclear power.  They are backed by the most powerful nation in the world.

[sandyRoe]

'Let them hate as long as they fear.'

If there are any latinists here they might know where that quote came from.

[ToraToraTora]

sandyrao: "

But what could they do?

Israel is a nuclear power.  They are backed by the most powerful nation in the world." - err they could have lived in peace in the autonomous region they were in and not pick a fight with a much more powerful neighbour. When their love of their own people exceeds their hatred of Israel perhaps they will choose a safe and peaceful life, like the one they already had on Oct 6th.

[retrocop]

The Israeli civilian population have long since feared continual lethal rocket attacks into their territory causing many deaths due to theie crude indiscriminate construction. That is why all Israeli homes have a safe room ( bunker). Tell me Sandy Roe. Why has Hamas forbidden the Gazans to build their own shelters?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "When their love of their own people exceeds their hatred of Israel perhaps they will choose a safe and peaceful life, like the one they already had on Oct 6th."

 

"Between January 2021 and September 2023, 165 Palestinians, including 53 boys and 28 girls, were killed in the Gaza Strip, with 133 fatalities in 2021 alone, highlighting a pre-existing pattern of attacks prior to October 7. The majority of casualties were caused by air-launched explosive weapons, resulting in 2,843 injuries during this period."

There have been 208 Palestinians killed by iDF and settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in January to September 2023.
 

I think the relatives of the dead and those who survived the attacks might have a different understanding of, "a safe and peaceful life".

[anneasquith]

TCL. Those figures you have presented are very informative thank you. 

[retrocop]

A safe and peaceful life ?  Surely that won't include Hamas terrorists launching their rockets into Israel from school playgrounds or storing their munitions in tunnels under hospitals. The peopl;e of Gaza could only pray not to be continually used and abused by Hamas terrorists as human shields. The much needed diesel fuel for hospital generators not commandeered by Hamas for use in their own generators to supply fresh air in their network of tunnels as well as pumping out water. The theft of irrigation piping supplied by the EU to Gazans for farming but stolen and utilised to make Hamas rocketry destined for Israel. Likewise cement stolen by Hamas to line their tunnels.I bet the ordinary Palestinians love Hamas governing and killing them for their own use. Life is cheap to Hamas and nothing or no one stands between their fanatical ideology. 

[sandyRoe]

The struggle for liberty incurs a dreadful cost.

[ToraToraTora]

they already had "liberty" they blew it.

[douglas9401]

Maybe offer them sovereignty then, it's quite the coming thing.

[retrocop]

//The struggle for liberty incurs a dreadful cost//

What a crass statement. How come the relief convoys bring in limited food but the Palestinians are not seeing it. Hamas,again,have commandeered it to supply their own terrorists. They do not care for children and babies welfare. If they did they would surrender to IDF

[Peter Pedant]

oderint dum metuant - -and that was Caligula, not someone I wd read for Latin lit.

Latin church seems to be in close communion with Rome but have their own liturgy ( and hierarchy) - autocephalous ( long word put in only too vex ABers)

[Peter Pedant]

they already had "liberty" they blew it. and knew it

Like freedomm of movement, employment residence etc etc

righto!

 

[Peter Pedant]

they will choose a safe and peaceful life - - - linked with Gaza, is a bit of a stretch. Good luck on that one.