Fujitsu Surprise!

[barry1010]

I wasn't expecting this

BBC News - Fujitsu admits it has a 'moral obligation' to compensate Post Office victims

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67993493

[Peter Pedant]

yeah I saw this in real time - and wondered if it were off the cuff, or they had thought about it - you are looking at millions of dollars

simultanesously there was this playing

which is someone with perfect english and an IT degree, having her finger nails pulled out.

this was about audit data in Fuji being corrupt and the known approaching court dates - "so we better make it right!"

they dont, but say under oath they do.... oo-er!

 

[jno]

I imagine they've seen which way the wind was blowing; in their position I'd probably have done the same. It's clear they're not the only offenders here and won't be expected to pay excessive amounts, so I dare say the poor taxpayer will be footing much of the bill while the PO bosses resist any attempt to make them hand back their bonuses.

[Ellipsis]

They are Japanese. I

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansei

 (反省, "self-reflection") is a central idea in Japanese culture, meaning to acknowledge one's own mistake and to pledge improvement. 

[Ellipsis]

Oh, I posted too early by mistake, but that will do. "Hansei".

[jno]

that could be the Japanese for  "lessons will be learnt".

[Peter Pedant]

Post Office chief executive Nick Read said he could not give an exact date when the Post Office knew the IT system could be accessed remotely

I thought his lack of knowledge was gob smacking - to me his answers showed he wasnt quite sure if all this were true or just hype

[Ellipsis]

"Lessons will be learned" is not a central idea in British culture like Hansei is for the Japanese. To copy some more from above ...

Cultural meaning

In the hansei process, the emphasis is on what went wrong and on creating clear plans for ensuring that it does not reoccur; this is done constantly and consistently. At Toyota, even if one completes a project successfully, there is still a hansei-kai (reflection meeting) to review what went wrong. If a manager or engineer claims that there were not any problems with the project, they will be reminded that “no problem is a problem” – meaning that one has not objectively and critically evaluated the project to find opportunities for improvement. No problems indicate that one did not stretch to meet (or exceed) their expected capacity.

Cultural examples

An example would be the actions of Japanese politicians involved in corruption. They apologize publicly for the inappropriate action, then remove themselves from public politics for a few years. They resume their career after a culturally accepted period of time where they learned their lesson.

In Japanese companies it is common practice for a manager to expect hansei from his subordinates in case of mistakes. The manager will publicly take the blame, while the department works on solving the problem.

[jno]

"Lessons will be learned" is not a central idea in British culture

well, I spoke in jest, but it seems an increasingly common way of deflecting criticism at least in corporate culture; I don't know if it will make its way into wider British culture

[barry1010]

I just hope it is all sorted efficiently and timely, it's been far too long already

[Canary42]

What galls me is that each postmaster who complained about the system was told "nobody else has" - that to me is unforgiveable.

[Hymie]

Having the moral obligation to compensate the victims of this scandal and actually compensating them are two different things.

 

If any of the wrongly jailed sub-post masters/mistresses expect to receive £1 million compensation anytime soon (if at all), they are very much deluded.

[Peter Pedant]

What galls me is that each postmaster who complained about the system was told "nobody else has" - that to me is unforgiveable.

well we had Bully Bradshaw n that - only one in the office ( what said the lawyer) they were th eonly one in that office who had the problem
AND....

he was tilting about PCIA ( police code of practice) and was just about ( I thought) to insist the police are allowed to lie to witnesses (but stopped short)

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same issue with RBS - if an icky business was referred to the Business Recovery Group - " the business was doomed. all they wished to do is get a decent price on  sell up".

[Old_Geezer]

Not overly surprised. It was expected, it is an honour thing. But how far honour takes you remains to be seen.