Can Someone Bring A Case Against South Africa For Genocide?

[ToraToraTora]

27000 (approx) murdered EVERY year. How have they got the brass neck to bring a case against Israel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68059715

 

[JACKSON-REACHER]

So SA's murder rate over 12 months is about the same as Israel have managed in 3 months in Gaza.

Not sure criminal murders with war dead is a valid comparison?

[Old_Geezer]

SA is a failed state and, to the best of my knowledge, not acting to kill or remove folk, merely not governing well. I don't believe one calls such failure to act, genocide. So it's not the same thing as when one nation goes to another state moving and killing those there.

 

That stated I don't think such a call does more than push the sides further apart and increase emotion and determination for each to continue as they chose.

[ToraToraTora]

10:14, yes but SA do it every year, year on year.

[ToraToraTora]

10:17 yes of course, it's just a slightly TIC post that SA has the brass neck to bring a case against Israel for self defence when their own sheet show is ongoing and far worse.

[THECORBYLOON]

I've not checked your 27,000 figure but how many of them were carried out by the South African state during a conflict and in contravention of the Geneva Conventions?

[retrocop]

Lankeela

The authorities tried to do that from the onset but just could not find a intravenous vein. They, apparently tried both arms and legs.

[retrocop]

My apologies. I somehow reached the wrong thread.

[Untitled]

the appalling murder rate in south africa has not to the best of my knowledge been carried out by the government of south africa or by groups that it sponsors.

while it is a serious problem it would not appear to fall within the terms of the genocide convention but there is a very persuasive case to be made that israel's actions in gaza do

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "the appalling murder rate in south africa has not to the best of my knowledge been carried out by the government of south africa or by groups that it sponsors." - not directly perhaps but it is a resulty of their government's total failure to run the country.

[Untitled]

while it is catastrophic it is a catastrophe of a different nature to that of genocide.

[Untitled]

i also think you know that already by the way

[ToraToraTora]

Yes of course untitled, just saying they have a bit of a cheek bringing a case against Israel when their own house could do with putting in order.

[JACKSON-REACHER]

Are you saying that IDF soldiers should be treated the same as murderers, and be given long prison sentences or even the death penalty ?

[ToraToraTora]

It's my superpower again! I can make people pretend to be thick at will!

[Untitled]

the whole point of the ICJ is that all claimants are equal... south africa has made an allegation of genocide which israel has disputed. the court has now ruled that it is going to hear the case and has called upon israel to do everything in its power to protect palestinians from genocide. they can't very well say "go away and sort out your murder rate, let a rich country handle this" can they.

i suggest you read south africa's original submission to the ICJ... it is not very long, only 80 pages. this is a situation which without doubt the court should rule on.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "they can't very well say "go away and sort out your murder rate, let a rich country handle this" can they." - agreed but why would they bring the case in the first place?

[Untitled]

because they object to genocide and none of the western powers were willing to do it because of their political allegiance to israel.

[ToraToraTora]

....err it might be because the ANC has been allied with the PLO and other terrorist groups since the mid 90s.

[Untitled]

PLO renounced terror thirty years ago and so did the ANC...

[JACKSON-REACHER]

Congratulations for the most stupidest question of the week. And your hysterical answerers are priceless too. 🤢