Now, It's Death Threats In Rochdale By-Election

[Khandro]

How far is this going to go, and how long before something is done?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1870998/reform-uk-rochdale-by-election-dfimon-danczuk

[Peter Pedant]

no they arent disenfranchised

they cant vote ( perhaps) for one crzy and that leaves a choice of eleven.

disenfranchised means you cant vote for anyone - and I know you kinda really knew that

[Alan365]

I think were waiting for an apocalypse. I'm not confident this country can be saved. 

[jourdain2]

PP There isn't an official Labour candidate - or have I missed something?  I'm on that many pain-killers that I could have.

[Peter Pedant]

hasnt this been done to er death?

the IRA were after MPs fifty y ago and I cant remember mass panic in the HoC

altho - my grandfather retired 1928 because - "he was tired of being shot at" (ICS)

[jourdain2]

So perhaps disenfranchised wasn't quite the right word, but they are limited.

[Peter Pedant]

so long as he isnt dead you can vote for the one from last week. These elections are personal- you vote for a person and not a party and certainly not a prime minister

( Harold Wilson famously tried it 1970 flying hither and thither to many constituencies - as breathlessly reported by the Beeb. So he was acting all presidential and also never mentioned Edw Heath by name - 'selsdon Man' etc - and lost)

[fender62]

form what was said.. Have you seen this m************ s***, this bald white devil b******  let's assume it came from an asian of pakistani descent, this death threat, the teachers death threat, the other mp who recently who retired, going swimmingly for the radicals, oh and beaming the hate slogan on big ben, says  to me anderson was correct, the pm mayor khan..who is running this country now.. anarchists radicals militants, one big powder keg.....sorry but thats how seems to me, alarmist no, realist.

[Khandro]

Dhimmitude is a polemical neologism characterizing the status of non-Muslims under Muslim rule, popularized by the Egyptian-born British writer Bat Ye'or in the 1980s and 1990s. It is a portmanteau word constructed from the Arabic dhimmi 'non-Muslim living in an Islamic state' and the French (serv)itude 'subjection'.

Bat Ye’or defines it as a permanent status of subjection in which Jews and Christians have been held under Islamic rule since the eighth century, and that forces them to accept discrimination or "face forced conversion, slavery or death". 

 

The road is long, but they'll get there unless we awake. 🙂

[Peter Pedant]

held under Islamic rule since the eighth century,

erm which shows that it  isnt Quranic ( seventh century) but a gloss on the holy text later ..... which can always be re-glossed

remember in Islam there is no Popey who says - "you believe this or else you are not islamic". Bit of a free for all really

[Peter Pedant]

remember Granada 1492 [Yup ante la reonquista  dde Granada] the Christians and Jews didnt have a bad deal from the Muslims

unlike 1500 s Granada when there were forced conversions ( conversos) - the big had fella was Cisneiro I think

[Old_Geezer]

But you can't vote for someone you disapprove of, so you aren't left any choice in practice. Same as when you are in a constituency where no one worth voting for stood anyway. Which is why one has a right to withhold one's vote,  and why that doesn't disenfranchise one from having a right to complain about what the eventual election winner does.

[Khandro]

Not talking about the Islamists has been the way of pretending the threat posed by them doesn’t exist. The reality, as we are now seeing to our cost, is that it does exist, and no amount of deflection and denial will make it go away. In Churchill’s words, “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last.”

[Stableford]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/27/robert-jenrick-smeared-trying-speak-out-islamism-definition/

 

[Khandro]

'Islamist' is a new word I like, it is quite neutral, just like Socialist, Pacifist, Communist, etc. It is someone holding extreme Islamic views and quite different from being simply a Muslim.  

I know what it means, you know what it means, and if anyone were to say using it is 'Islamophobic' (whatever that means) I shall tell them that they are illiterate & also where to go.

[naomi24]

Your first sentence is contradictory, Khandro.  The word 'Islamist' applies to all followers of Islam - just as 'Socialist' applies to all followers of Socialism and 'Communist' to all followers of  Communism.  

[Khandro]

^^ Exactly; that's what I'm saying - it's neutral and not condemnatory, but we know it means holding strong Islamic views, (including dhimmitude). 

[naomi24]

Khandro, //It is someone holding extreme Islamic views//

 

^That's what I'm saying doesn't apply.  An Islamist is simply a follower of Islam - regardless of how extreme their views are.

[Khandro]

Is·lam·ism

  (ĭs-lä′mĭz′əm, ĭz-, ĭs′lə-, ĭz′-)

n.

1. An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life.

2. The religious faith, principles, or cause of Islam.

Is·lam′ist adj. & n.

[naomi24]

Why have you posted that, khandro?

[Peter Pedant]

because it adds to the discussion, durrr

Jesus - people dont have to turn their braynes off when they hear the two syllables - is-lam.....

- ist can applied to many words ( "strongly bound morpheme") and converts the word into a doer/actor/perspm

I am not sure if it shows craziness in their beliefs, parachutist, shootist, theist, polytheist, thomist, papist.

This reminds me of discussion in American schools in the fifties - " is it an -ism?"   - - if it is, then it is very bad indeed. Rock bottom discussion