New Definition Of Extremism.....what Do We Think?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-extremism-definition-unveiled-despite-concerns-it-could-vilify-the-wrong-people-13094090

 

[Khandro]

O.K. by me.

[youngmafbog]

I think it is worse than pointless tinkering.

It will undoubtledy be used to alienate perfectly legitimate free speech.

 

[Old_Geezer]

One could intentionally create a permissive environment but it is unlikely provable that it was for others to achieve either of those aims. Consequently in most cases it would be someone's subjective opinion, which seems dodgy.

Will have to see how it goes. (Looks open for patches 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, ...)

[Khandro]

OG //Consequently in most cases it would be someone's subjective opinion, which seems dodgy.//

It is my subjective opinion, & it should be also somehow encompassed  in British law, that hologramming 'From the rivers to the sea' on Big Ben, is extremism, & the perpetrators should be prosecuted.

 

[Hymie]

As my mate Phil explains; the Tories are now extremists (by their own definition).

 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j34zWNfM8k8

[youngmafbog]

Jesus H.  Dont you have your own brain?

[Hymie]

Have you listened to Phil’s explanation – listing Tory extremist policies?

[Khandro]

Hymie, I can see why you like the first video, - there's always one.

But I liked the second video better; the judge and the 100 year old army vet.

Your 'mate' has a mean face whereas the old soldier's face and demeanour is somehow uplifting. No wonder the judge said, "You can keep your hat on." 🙂

[Togo]

Extremism has already got a definition.

"Tendency to be extreme; esp. the holding of extreme political or religious views, or advocacy of illegal, violent, or other extreme measures." O.E.D.

"

a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters

leftist extremism

the extremism of the Nazis" Collins American English Dictionary.

"1: the quality or state of being extreme

2: advocacy of extreme measures or views : RADICALISM"
Noun.  Miriam Webster.

As far as I can see this sly tinkering will only give a controlling body or commitee the legal right to decide what extremism is withou any consideration of the majority view or accepted norms. If a future far right administation decides that socialist views are extremist then they will be. If a far left administration decides that Conservative views are extremist then they will be. If a muslim council or controlling body decides that any view that does not embrace mohamidism is extremist then it will be. The very action of allowing individual vested interest parties to define extremism to suit their own agendas will cause inevitable conflict. Wake up Britain this is not the sort of Reform that we need.     

[Khandro]

It's irritating the Islamists already, so it must be doing something right. The Muslim Council of Britain is the UK branch of the, (Godwin's Law warning!) Hitler approved Muslim Brotherhood ; 

The Government now defines extremism as “the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance” that aims to destroy others’ rights and freedoms or “undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights”.

The Government did not provide examples of extremist groups, but Communities Secretary Michael Gove pointed to the threat from the extreme right and "Islamist extremists who are seeking to separate Muslims from the rest of society and create division within Muslim communities”.

However, the policy shift drew a sharp reaction from the Muslim Council of Britain, with Secretary General Zara Mohammed warning: “A broad cross-section of British society will see through the government’s divisive extremism proposals. Extremism is a grave concern, and we all stand in opposition to it, despite the efforts of bigots to suggest otherwise through baseless accusations.

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, Michael Gove referred to the Muslim Association of Britain, NOT the Muslim Council of Britain so I suggest you withdraw the claim you made about the MCB.

[naomi24]

Corby, I think the government has cut ties with the Muslim Council of Britain.

[THECORBYLOON]

In Parliament to-day he said, "Organizations such as the Muslim Association of Britain which is the British affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood..."

He did not mention the MCB and KHANDRO was wrong to make the claim he did.

[Hymie]

The Tory policy on Brexit is an ideology based on intolerance which aims to destroy others’ rights & freedoms (which we enjoyed as members of the EU); if further proof were needed that the Tories are an extremist organisation, they have denied my democratic right to vote in European elections.

[fender62]

Hymie, europe has the same problems with extremists as we do, this new law is very weak actually, it should point to the elephant in the room, live and let live erm, extremists don't believe in that, there way or the highway or worse if they had there way, law and order is breaking down, liberalism has let the wolf in, they have seen the chink in the armour, and are exploiting it through our own laws.

[THECORBYLOON]

It's not a new law, it's to be used only by the government when considering whether to have any dealings with groups or individuals. 

[Old_Geezer]

Why would someone, presumably not living in an EU member nation, think they had any right to vote in EU elections ?

[Old_Geezer]

Can't Fleetwood (and other places) kick off it's fishing industry from scratch again ?

[davebro3]

^^ a senior moment?