I Wondered When Labour Would Get Around To This.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-suspend-some-arms-sales-to-israel-foreign-secretary-announces-13208593

We know they are riddled with anti semites so hardy surprising they want to defend their "freedom fighter" buddies.

[ToraToraTora]

they'll all be alive if your Hamas buddies had stayed in bed on Oct 7th. It all stems from that.

[douglas9401]

With a little help from charmers like Moshe:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c207j6wy332o

[Untitled]

it doesn't though. israel poured money into hamas to stop gaza from unifying with the palestian authority and fired upon peaceful protestors in gaza. the IDF have been committing massacres of civilians in Gaza since at least 1956 long before hamas was founded. the uk should not be supplying weapons to governments or organisations which will use them to kill children. i am not a big fan of starmer but i agree with this entirely.

[max137]

Untitled where is your proof of your accusations. Hamas took over Gaza killing it's opposition.

[naomi24]

untitled, //the uk should not be supplying weapons to governments or organisations which will use them to kill children. //

 

Nothing like a bit of drama.

[ToraToraTora]

stop it with the BS untitled, yes there is history, this latest chapter started on Oct 7th. Any collateral deaths are at the feet of Hamas. The cowards insist on using hospitals and schools for bases and weapons storage so that is a lot of the collateral but even for the rest they are victims of Hamas' barabarity on Oct 7th. End of.

[Untitled]

"Untitled where is your proof of your accusations."

the specific ones i mentioned? 
 

khan younis massacre, november 1956

march of return, 2018-2019

naomi

in this link you can see footage of a palestinian man in gaza holding up a child whose head has been destroyed during an IDF airstrike on a civilian area. 
 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israeli-airstrike-on-rafah-tent-camp-kills-45-triggers-new-wave-of-condemnation

plenty of other examples too

[Untitled]

israel was perfectly capable of conducting a targeted assassination in the middle of tehran with zero civilian casualties toratoratora. what you call "collateral damage" is simply people the IDF doesn't care about killing. in fact some whistleblowers have alleged that they are quite keen on it and the south african legal case also presents some compelling evidence of that too. israel's goal in gaza is to depopulate it and replace them with jewish colonies. 

[ToraToraTora]

What I don't get is why the terrorist fan club keep bringing up things from before Oct 7th. Is it their way of justifying what happened on Oct 7th? So they can give the terrorists heroic names like "Freedom Fighters" and treat the victims as the bad guys just for being jewish?

[Untitled]

i am not trying to justify october 7th. 

[ToraToraTora]

then why are you bringing up past events?

[Untitled]

because i don't agree that the present conflict "all stems from october 7th". 

[ToraToraTora]

Yes the Muslims and Jews have been at it for centuries but this chapter is 100% as a result of the Oct 7th Attrocities. Hamas would still be running Gaza with the approval of Israel if they'd stayed at home that day, fact!

[Untitled]

sorry tora but that doesn't entitle israel to kill or rape or torture whoever it pleases, man woman or child. it is quite right that a country which behaves in this way should lose the support of the UK government and i hope that others do the same. 

[naomi24]

untitled, now you're sounding like you're conceding TTT's point - which you should really because he's right.  Without October 7th, this wouldn't be happening.

[Untitled]

and without israel's oppression then october 7th would not have happened 

[naomi24]

Now you're justifying cold blooded slaughter.

[Untitled]

i think you're the one doing that naomi. 

[naomi24]

You think wrong then.  By its actions Hamas declared war on 7th October.  Israel is at war.

[Untitled]

and therefore what naomi? israel can do whatever it likes? it can drop UK-supplied bombs on civilian camps, kill as many children as it needs to? rape and torture prisoners?  block the majority of food supplies and attack starving people when they flock to the remainder? kill children in lebanon?

to justify means "to show to be right or reasonable". i do not think that the hamas attacks on october 7th was either of those things and i do not support hamas. you do however seem to think that Israel's behaviour is. i am pleased to say i do not share your enthusiasm for the things i mention above?