Starmer Claims First Job Was On A Farm Amid Inheritance Tax Row

[webbo3]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/19/sir-keir-starmer-claims-first-job-on-farm-tax-row/

\\As farmers protest in Westminster, PM tells GB News: ‘My first job was on the farm. I grew up in the countryside//

I wonder how long before Reeves says something similar

"I worked on a farm a was the head pig semen extractor"

 

[ToraToraTora]

Starmer got fewer votes than Agent Cob, not exactly a ringing endorsement is it?

[jno]

all elections have depended on FPTP; why are you singling it out now?

[gulliver1]

We know Boris worked on a farm .🤣he was cloned with a haystack🤣

[ToraToraTora]

09:20 I agree and I also agree that FPTP is the best system but people like you and canary keep going on about how big the win was so its pertinent to tell those with perhaps less understanding that it was really an anomoly with the system we use that threw up the Majority that labour enjoy rather than the country overtly wanting Labour. If Corbyn can get 10.2m votes and 202 seats and 5 years later Starmer gets 9.7m votes and 411 seats that is at least worth pointing out to those that harp on about the size of the "win".

[gulliver1]

TTT 09.28 You and your Con

[jno]

Starmer got fewer votes than Agent Cob, not exactly a ringing endorsement is it?

But more than Sunak. Which was indeed a ringing endorsement. 9.7m to 6.8m, in fact.

[gulliver1]

TTT  09.28 You and your Con Party lost the GE, just accept it, you lot were booted out , kicked into the long grass ,and are now the opposition party ...You have amost another five years of being the party opposite ...just get used to it OK

[davebro3]

The country voted for "change". Unfortunately change under the FPTP system means - the other lot we didn't want!

[Arrods]

But Rachel Reeves was fully qualified to become Chancellor as she was an Economist don't you know.  Wait a minute ....

[drmorgans]

 

 

The shift was Tory to Reform and Lib Dem, and SNP to Labour. Around 3 million who'd voted in 2019 didn't in 2024.

 

 

 

[jno]

not necessarily the same 3 million, though, drmorgans. Some young ones turn 18, some old ones die; but I don't think there are any figures for how many individuals have actually changed their minds. The only demographic that voted Tory was the over-65s, many of whom will not be around at the next election (it suggests that Labour shouldn't have bothered promising to keep the triple lock, it didn't win them the hearts  of OAPs).

[davebro3]

//The only demographic that voted Tory was the over-65s, many of whom will not be around at the next election //

WRONG - there will be MORE over 65s at the next GE!

[jno]

it's not WRONG.  Many of those who voted this year will not be around for the next election. They will be replaced by others, from a demographic that voted Labour.

[davebro3]

Yes but it is well established that folks become more right oriented as they age - it is possible to change one's politics you know. If the young never changed their view as they aged the left would have already been in power for decades - they haven't been.🙄

[Khandro]

First we had from him, "My dad was a toolmaker', redolent of a backgroung of factories grime and urban life - to support his claim to be on the side of "the working man" - that backfired big time!

Now he's got it wrong for the farmers, he wants to give the impression of a bucolic childhood, ♪To reap and sow and plough and mow, to be a farmer's boy'. ♫

 Who's now going to fall for this one? - do they mean us?

[Deskdiary]

Which numbers are closer to the truth?

 

The Govt says it will 'only' effect 500, the NFU says 70,000. That's a yawning chasm of a difference.

[newmodarmy]

The 500 figure is 500 a year. So in a  generation (using 30 years) it may have amounted to 15000. So it's closer but still way short of the  70000 figure. 

[davebro3]

//The environment secretary says this change could raise £200m a year for the NHS//

Is this their "side of a bus" moment?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/19/what-are-inheritance-tax-changes-affecting-uk-farmers

The gov are wrong - if only the numbers they claim will be affected then it won't raise as much revenue as they expect.

[newmodarmy]

The numbers could be said to add up if it was 500 farms a year at £400000 IHT each on average- but as farmers can spread it over 10 years it would only raise £20 million in the first year if their figures were right

[netherfield]

Only any good for shovelling ****